Message from @Arch-Fiend
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we gonna hopefully be mining asteroids by then?
```But miners and their families here say that as compelling as the money is pride in an industry in which generations of West Virginians have invested their blood, sweat and tears.```
weve never come close to depleting all resources from the earth, what we actually do is get to the point of the resources left being very hard to find
did i say earth?
i said US
same deal
same principle.
Yeah, I see Arch's side on that.
people have been mining in the old world for thousands of years before we started here
okay, fine, we have mined all the cheap stuff HERE, but not elsewhere
same point, do these people leave the country for work now?
aint no where to go
generations of Virginians now need to leave Virginia?
I really wish I could post a picture right now.
asia and europe are cheeply mined out now, south america, africa, australia, and antartica are the only contanents that dont have their surfaces almost completely scowered
the future of mining when cheep mining is done is either in those contanents or more expensive mining
hopefuly with technologic advancements to keep that cost down
however when mining gets expensive its not the people up top who are going to take smaller paychecks
just like how its not people up top who take smaller paychecks in farming
less farmers are nessicary to farm the same land while they are also paid less than that labor may actually be worth because the desire of the consumer is always for more to the extent that you could reduce the amount of food consumed in the united states by 60% without anyone NEEDING to starve but people will starve anyway because of unequal distribution of food
demand for food has actually reduced its value strangely
because its gotten so much easier to produce
demand didn't make it cheaper, the cost of production went down
i supose
and the laborers producing it didint see much benefit from that
farming seems to be historically unfriendly for labor
its often the work of slaves in history, when its not, usually farmers would be disrespected by land owners
sometimes you get a society with respect for farming but doesent seem to last
it doesn't last because automation is just so much better at it
i mean, how do you value a farm that produces much less per season, with no major advantage to it, and costs like 8 times as much?
it takes up lots of space, usually isn't that environmentally friendly, is very hard labor
its all around not a good job
very few if any people liked it, so we made a culture of viewing it as not that great
I think we agreed that the development of automation cannot be stopped. If you want to argue for what feels almost like pity jobs, ones that would probably end up being given out by the state due to the ridiculous cost to yield over automation, or a new version of the Amish, then i wish you luck. I still have hope that society evolves itself around the problem we suspect automation will cause.
because right now, for all we know, automation just might open up a different kids of manual labor job we haven't though of yet.
i super dont agree that the development of automation cannot be stopped, however i do conceed its not easy and youd have to change society
you'd have to undermine humanities competitive nature, and their want to do less work
look at how well stopping global warming has gone. and you think something whos tag line is "cheaper everything" will somehow go over better?
But I must take my leave for now. Have to go to the gym for an hour.
you wont be able to solve this problem thinking purely economicly because economicly you cant compete with "everything you want for less" this is why no form of economic system has ever competed with capitalism. you could tell people that basicly they will lose all their jobs if they try something but people will shoot back at you that they will just go on welfare and they will be right that in the best case scenario that means they never have to work but still have the same standard of living (theoreticly).