Message from @Poptarts

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2018-07-09 02:54:36 UTC  

Since all of them are the same.

2018-07-09 02:54:53 UTC  

Yeah, biodiversity is important here for sure.

2018-07-09 02:54:58 UTC  

Thats why I said, overreliance is the issue here.

2018-07-09 02:55:06 UTC  

Learn from the Irish

2018-07-09 02:55:09 UTC  

We don't want to replace every crop with one super-rice

2018-07-09 02:56:11 UTC  

You see people talking about cocoa possibly going extinct... There's probably a lot of money for whoever can figure out a way to make that grow in new environments

2018-07-09 03:01:24 UTC  

there is NO consensus about GMO health safety

2018-07-09 03:03:21 UTC  

Because they're NOT necessarily safe. You're changing the organism's DNA to make it a new one. So that means you COULD make something poisonous, but that doesn't mean changing corn to have bigger kernels is going to necessarily be unsafe if that's all that is changed.

2018-07-09 03:04:21 UTC  

DNA is a highly complex set of code, and sometimes things are linked in ways we previously didn't understand. That means we should be careful moving forward and not put all our eggs in one basket. It doesn't mean avoiding all change.

2018-07-09 03:04:40 UTC  

They're changing the genes in the corn to turn the freaking frogs gay!!

2018-07-09 03:05:02 UTC  

Isn't kermit gay?

2018-07-09 03:05:48 UTC  

Ok, but really on some level he was right. But the chemicals are actually turning frogs trans.

2018-07-09 03:07:36 UTC  

ya, its the atrazine and other indocrine disruptors and estrogen mimickers

2018-07-09 03:08:03 UTC  

Sargon did a hilarious video on the "Gay Frog Holocaust" or something liek that

2018-07-09 03:09:05 UTC  

"We've been genetically modifying our food for as long as we've been growing it." but this is just plain untrue and is a common talking point sowed by slick snake oil salesmen 😉

2018-07-09 03:09:32 UTC  

GMO are fundamentally different than natural plant hybridization

2018-07-09 03:09:47 UTC  

they are *trans*-genic

2018-07-09 03:10:03 UTC  

also, they are *patented* as well

2018-07-09 03:10:14 UTC  

so they are *novel* inventions

2018-07-09 03:10:59 UTC  

tell me..... how do you "breed" a pig with an elephant?

2018-07-09 03:11:09 UTC  

or a spider with a goat?

2018-07-09 03:12:00 UTC  

Impossibruu

2018-07-09 03:12:06 UTC  

or a jellyfish with a feline .... or a cow with a pig ..... or a mold with a plant ... *or a human with an animal*.... see this is fundamentally different science

2018-07-09 03:12:15 UTC  

welll.... trick question 😉

2018-07-09 03:12:21 UTC  

the answer is GMOs thru genetic engineering as it is properly known

2018-07-09 03:12:42 UTC  

Then that's not whatever it originally is

2018-07-09 03:12:51 UTC  

Well that's sort of the point

2018-07-09 03:13:27 UTC  

thats what it means now .... legally speaking, so all that really matters. they are not the same things as DOGS as is a common and erroneous talking point

2018-07-09 03:13:33 UTC  

dogs are not GMOs

2018-07-09 03:13:41 UTC  

Similar to replacing wood on a ship, at what point does a cow becomes non cow if you keep replacing it's DNA

2018-07-09 03:15:01 UTC  

there are two technical requirements as for as i understand for something to be considered a GMO *legally speaking* ..... 1) trans-genic 2) patented

2018-07-09 03:15:49 UTC  

I think people shouldn't be able to patent GMOs

2018-07-09 03:16:10 UTC  

Why shouldn't they?

2018-07-09 03:16:10 UTC  

and i dont even think both are required.... its all about the methodology especially splice and dicing among different animal kingdoms

2018-07-09 03:16:30 UTC  

It's a difficult situation because then there's very little incentive for them to create them.

2018-07-09 03:17:07 UTC  

In it's actual sense as long as there is a splicing and joining of the DNA it should be GMO

2018-07-09 03:17:13 UTC  

I think that first of all the patents should be very limited in length, and secondly there should be protections for those whose crops naturally gain crossover with the GMO

2018-07-09 03:17:25 UTC  

there are natural hybrids that can occur with even artifical selection..... and then there are GMOs .... they are fundamentally different

2018-07-09 03:17:37 UTC  

Only in their origin

2018-07-09 03:18:06 UTC  

The end result is the same?

2018-07-09 03:19:12 UTC  

the crossover thing is why I dislike GMO patents