Yes the rich would be the ones taxed, but at some point soon we will have a vast number of people who though no fault of their own won't be able to have jobs at all.

yes, but that doesn't suddenly justify UBI, because UBI will be coming from those who achieve more than UBI as income

How does that not justify UBI.

What other means would they have to make money.

That is also based on the assumption that there is enough produced to go around.

they wouldn't, thats why i'm against the concept of implementing it until we can sustain it

That is money that will be spent on utilities, food and shelter.

UBI works, when you can replace everyones job, but at that point, it is redundant

And the prices of all three will rise to match the UBI

IF you don't do it well before then, you get a bunch of angry uneployed men with guns.

UBI is not taxable, because its tax money,
Meaning the huge population that needs it, can't pay into the system

Right.

Which then leads to it having to be taken from anyone who earns more than the UBI,

Meaning that people who would "barely" make it over, would just stop working,

Why work 40 hours per week for that extra 200 dollars

To be honest, my issue will be with the society change

Why work if you are already provided for?

no, that's not what UBI is.

unless you wanna strip UBI to only cover the absolute bare essentials

No everyone would be eligible for UBI.

which means that all non-workers essentially become venezuelans, minus the food-issue

Its "Universal" Basic income,

that means everyone

Okay, when the unemployment rates hit 15% or 20% what would you do?

you'd make it worse if you don't make it universal, because then you'll get exactly what i said

People who are barely over it, will stop working, and those jobs suddenly become critical need

What should you do then?

when it hits 20%?

Start a war

its how we have done it before

At 20%, youd need a revolution

War is a great way to reduce the population

THe situation would be bad at that point

Your solution to unemployment it's the draft?

no

Well a war or a purge

my solution to unemployment is WAR

Who are you starting a war with?

The unemployed?

the unemployed people

Well, theres this called war economics.

And the concept that conflict will drive produce and consumption

Of course thats not desirable

You can kill your own citizen because they don't have a job.

Look at western society today

You have people at the point of willing to wage war with their neighbour over the policy of "What should we do with poor people sneaking into our country"

you make an excuse, and you just go "whoops, well that happened, people ded"