I said 1,000 a month.

So the NYC'ers will complain they need more UBI and the upstaters would be swamped. Probably not do anything at all.

1000 a month is nothing in NYC. It'll barely have any effect.

Yes.

Correct

So it would almost certainly end up higher

It would force people to move out of densely populated cities, and move to cheaper states 🤔

Also, are we assuming people will have full control over their prices?

No.

If you need more than UBI you would go on welfare instead.

Cause Id imagine prices rising to accomodate UBI would happen

Why would you have UBI and welfare?

It happens with minimum wage

And student loans

Everyone gets UBI.

Then what's the point of UBI if you compliment it with welfare?

The point of UBI is that you can cut back lol

It's not a compliment to welfare.

The point of NIT was that you could remove the bureaucracy and distribute more money.

i'm gonna quiet down here and still follow the discussion,

To make it easier for Dennafen to answer the remaining 3-4 people

This is now just freeshit

Actually, I need to eat, @Dr.Wol you can take my spot.

coolbeans, but he's still outnumbered like 3:1 😛

Yeah.. Sorry bout that Denna

I see where you are getting at though

Okay, to be clear we'd still have welfare, and disability, UBI would be an alternative to those programs for anyone who applied.

But I still had those concerns. Im more private vs public sort, so it will be hard to shake that belief anyway

but those are all 3 welfare tho

If you can't work/find a job, the welfare state pays you to stay alive until you can
unless you're disabled and just can't, then they just pay

UBI in your idea would just be a more expanded welfare for those unfit to find new jobs

As I was saying before if you have $1,200 a month in disability, and you've found work you can do part time, you will likely not re-enter the work force, because you'd lose your disability. However you could still get 1,000 a month as a UBI benefit regardless of your working status.

That just adds cost and bureaucracy

Since you now need people to keep track of who is on UBI and who is on welfare

They already do that, it's called welfare.

You're adding more to it

Not really, the government is good a cutting checks.

And keeping track of who is on what system and for how long?

You mean like who's paying taxes and who's not? Or who you made your last phone call to?

Yeah the government can handle this.

They don't handle it for free. And I mean who is receiving what money from the government

The point of UBI is to replace welfare

They already have the bureaucracy to do it in fact.

No.