Message from @Beemann
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There's a bigger issue with UBI: It'll create a class of people who depend heavily on state income.
They'll have literally nothing better to do but complain they need more. It'll be the G7 protests daily.
Okay, well I don't care if they're actively looking or not, so there's that.
There is alot of lobbying and politics in welfare as it is now.
When it should be an apolitical position
Plus, you'd have issues of what is a "sustainable income"
Why wouldn't you, if they're receiving money for it?
NYC is much, much more than upstate.
Ginga, theres lobbying in politics for ENTERTAINMENT 😛
I never said it would be sustainable at first.
I said 1,000 a month.
So the NYC'ers will complain they need more UBI and the upstaters would be swamped. Probably not do anything at all.
1000 a month is nothing in NYC. It'll barely have any effect.
Yes.
Correct
So it would almost certainly end up higher
It would force people to move out of densely populated cities, and move to cheaper states 🤔
Also, are we assuming people will have full control over their prices?
No.
If you need more than UBI you would go on welfare instead.
Cause Id imagine prices rising to accomodate UBI would happen
It happens with minimum wage
And student loans
Everyone gets UBI.
Then what's the point of UBI if you compliment it with welfare?
The point of UBI is that you can cut back lol
It's not a compliment to welfare.
The point of NIT was that you could remove the bureaucracy and distribute more money.
i'm gonna quiet down here and still follow the discussion,
To make it easier for Dennafen to answer the remaining 3-4 people
This is now just freeshit
coolbeans, but he's still outnumbered like 3:1 😛
Yeah.. Sorry bout that Denna
I see where you are getting at though
Okay, to be clear we'd still have welfare, and disability, UBI would be an alternative to those programs for anyone who applied.
But I still had those concerns. Im more private vs public sort, so it will be hard to shake that belief anyway
but those are all 3 welfare tho
If you can't work/find a job, the welfare state pays you to stay alive until you can
unless you're disabled and just can't, then they just pay
UBI in your idea would just be a more expanded welfare for those unfit to find new jobs
As I was saying before if you have $1,200 a month in disability, and you've found work you can do part time, you will likely not re-enter the work force, because you'd lose your disability. However you could still get 1,000 a month as a UBI benefit regardless of your working status.
That just adds cost and bureaucracy
Since you now need people to keep track of who is on UBI and who is on welfare
They already do that, it's called welfare.