Also.... I think I prefer being called a shill or an idiot than being told I dont deserve to be alive.

I use TD to see the stuff the MSM won't talk about along with Newsvoice (thanks Tim), Discord, and YouTube for more mainstream stuff.

I've been guilty of shitposting in Debate before. 😛

Reddit was a mistake. Change my mind

I has cute animal subreddits like /r/corgi.

You can just do a generic image or video search for animal pictures

Sort of, but content on reddit is moderated by sub mods & voted on by users. Where as a search engine just goes with what is most relevant, & I don't want to scrol far enough down in a search engine before I hit furry porn of corgis.

Why not?

The methods of moderation and voting are why reddit is inherently trash

But are we not in a discord server that not just dictates what content we are allowed to post, but also how we are allowed to post them?

Discord does not, by design, rank posts based on raw popularity and hide things people just don't like

Nor does Tim's discord ban based on association with other discords. That said, I wouldn't call discord good either, just "less bad"

Yeah, but that highlights one other similarity of reddit to discord, the purpose of the discord server/subreddit & the quality of the moderators/moderation. There are subreddits/servers that are operated by tyrants, there are subs/servers moderated by anarchist, for example, if I think tim & his mods is too much of a tyrant for not letting me links to boobs in every channel or letting me criticize him enough, then I can make my own discord still dedicated to his content but with different rules. Yeah, it really sucks that there are subs with mods who are jerks, but most other sub mods don't care what you post to other places unless it is malicious brigading.

No, the thing I'm talking about isn't merely moderation, it's the foundation of the site

Popular shit, even if it's boring virtue signalling, goes to the top. Stuff that is unpopular enough gets hidden. Everything is reputation focused within a popularity contest format

Well that is the one of the things that is obviously different between between discord & reddit, the ability of other users who are not mods to effect the visibility of content by popularity when you sort content by the default settings. The only way for that to happen on discord is for there to be multiple people who would rather talk about something else, & displaces & ignores the content with their own.

Right and that's an issue with Reddit

Almost every thread I see, the most vapid boring and often incorrect but communally sanctioned shit hits the top of the pile, and legitimate criticism gets downvoted below the threshold

But what does that have to do with my corgi subreddits?

Sure there are reposts sometimes, but I usually get new & fresh pictures of corgis.

You can't just spam the same corgi picture over with the expectation that it will get the same upvotes, people will just get bored with it & down vote it.

That bit about Corgis kind of highlights one of the natures of reddit, sure the same opinions get spammed over & over with just people upvoting the preaching of the choir, but reddit has over types of content with different kinds of structures to upvote patterns & content generation.

Because it's replaceable with search+filters

Or honestly any other social media platform

Or even just a corgi themed website

But reddit has a diverse set of purposes on a massive platform outside of just discussion, why are we debating each other on a Voice and Text Chat for Gamers instead of a forum, why do people post pictures to twitter when there are sites exclusively built posting & sharing images like imgur or instagram, why does

Tim post his opinions to twitter or pictures to instagram when he can just make his own website with squarespace & we all just go there. We have diverse platforms, with diverse purposes, with diverse content generation, with diverse models for how they organize & deliver content. Reddit was not built with a single purpose just hosting discussion that people upvote, twitter is used for something different things than just insulting people with 280 characters.

The upvote/downvote system is a key aspect of the site

Just because you can also use the site instead of a google image search doesn't nullify that, and it doesn't make the site good

If reddit sucks for discussion then it suck for discussion, but it is great if you are looking for a fresh constant, quality user shared streams of corgis that is organized by consensus of the community. Yeah, the upvote/downvote system is a key aspect of the site, it has its positives, it has negatives, but just because a subset of reddits content suffers for it does mean the entire system is terrible for all content, & can't benefit from the system.

Just because YouTube has put a system in place that enables Jake Pual to share his opinions, his content, & make money of it. Doesn't that negate the positives it has when say, a little journalist to share his opinions, his content, & make money of it.

You're completely missing the point

You can not like /r/TheDonald or whatever

That's not what makes Reddit garbage

What makes Reddit garbage is that it is about communities and communication, and it has built in systems that downplay unpopular ideas and punish users for breaking away from the norm

Much like how YouTube has a shit flagging system that makes continuing a channel often nearly or completely impossible, due to often arbitrary pruning of monetization

And video access

That doesn't become moot because you like to watch cat videos

I'll be honest Beeman we have hit an impasse, I feel like I am arguing with someone who sees fire as an inherent evil because it burns down houses, I'll acknowledge that fire has it bad aspects for being used to burn down houses, & there is nothing we can do about it, but fire has properties that is useful like being able to cook food, being able to keep you warm & that is why people see fire as something more positive than a negative for its utilities even when things go wrong a lot with it. But you just go back to say fire is inherent evil because it burns down houses, & that is why fire is simply terrible without regard for the useful good attributes.

No I'm saying when a core feature of a site is bad, and all the other features are performed by other sites, that site is bad

Which also just feels like saying fire is inherent evil because it burns down houses & can be replaced by electric heaters if you want to cook food & warm up, which technically true in certain regards, but disregards why people would still prefer using fire like, not having electricity & it is easy to make with some wood, wanting a certain flavor fire gives their food, the experience of looking at a fire while it is warming you up.

Look, I will give a personal example. I hate twitter, I am never going to make a twitter account because what offers to me is limited compared what I want from other sites, & it has far too many downsides in its for me to have a good experience of heavily using it. But there are people who use twitter in a way that I can still enjoy looking in on parts of it regularly, even if most of twitter does not appeal to me as a whole, I can still see how it can be used well for certain purposes & why people would want to use it.