I got a STEM degree four years ago and I am 80% done paying off my student loans.

What did you go into, STEMlad?

Electrical Engineering but my paychecks have been in web development.

If you go into electrical engineering, chances are that you tend to make good life decisions

Yep, I am for the state paying for college tuition, but they first need to get ride of the pointless labral arts degrees, football teams, and resort style swimming pools.

They have swimming pools in schools where you are?

Dont know If I want to envy you.

Fuck it, I am envious

getting rid of sports teams, swimming pools, liberal arts degrees are all reasons people would endure paying for college. Although i guess this could be part of your argument, different options

Dont know, I also think sports has their place in academia, problem is, too much value is put into the,

ofc it does, as does music and dance etc

if i was going to argue for payed tuition i don't think i'd be attacking those things, most of those garner public interest and return income on their own. in this case that would go towards taxes to pay for colleges, but all the same

Sports has its place in academics but NCAA sports were the games are televised to the nation in a stadium on par with the NFL or NBA with the coaches making more then the College President seems to not add any academic advantages. I understand how it is used for recruitment. But I don't see how my school wining the Salsa bowl makes my bachelors more valuable.

true

i apologize, i forgot how screwed up college sports can be in that regard

No worries, I wanted to be the mascot guy.

Tim was asking if the Right is becoming more collectivist or if it was the people who are collectivist are moving right.

I think it's a bit of both. You've got people who have been attacked by social justice types forming up on the right. Some of these are, for example, ex-Bernie Bros who had experience in left-wing grassroots organizations and campaigns who are taking that practice and ideas with them. You've also got a young, angry right wing youth insurgency affiliated with Trump and is much more likely to try and find unity and community than the old establishment National Review Conservatives who just wanted a debate. Also, as Trump is a populist and the voting blocks are shifting (the UAW danced around endorsing Trump's tariffs--which would be a huge shift in political alignment) it's not unreasonable to expect the tactics to shift with them. Traditionally, the right had more money, but Hillary easily out-raised Trump and be all accounts Democrats now sit in all the rich districts and collect far more cash.

That said, the bigger (and much more important) factor is that the right has been getting attacked and marginalized in the semi-public sphere. You've got places where the right is a clear and discriminated minority (like college campuses, Silicon Valley and Hollywood). It should then serve as no surprise they have formed organizations in many ways analogous to various minority rights organizations or the secret socialist organizations of the 50s and early 60s. I strongly suspect the places with the strongest "right-solidarity" are also those where they are most silenced or harassed (and likely also the smallest minority). We all saw what happened when Damore spoke up on his own and there were definitely people who fundamentally agreed with him.

More to the point, the right is learning the power and influence of things like targeted, organized harassment actions (such as the boycotts on Hannity, Limbaugh, Breitbart or Ingraham). Much as the left went and formed The Center for American Progress and MSNBC in response to the successes of the right leaning organizations such as the American Enterprise Institute or CATO institute and Talk Radio in the 80s and 90s, the right is attempting to form it's own version of various left leaning culture war organizations.

I can say that just a couple years ago I thought there was no greater waste of time and resources than organized street protests. I also tended to feel that personally ignoring big culture war fights was the better long-term strategy. After seeing the left wage the culture war and the vast and sudden changes around 2013-2015 followed by the un-personing, violence and career harassment by the left after 2016, I've completely changed my tune. Organized protest is a show of force and solidarity. It's building commitment for the participants while promoting a culture and *forcing* a voice to be made. It's also organization practice for more significant campaigns. I strongly suspect the strongest "right-leaning solidarity" occurs in places like Seattle and Silicon Valley where they are the least powerful. And a lot of that is learning from the left, particularly the more extreme elements.

Collectivism is a cancer that needs to be removed before it kills the host.

The right trying to beat the control left by becoming the control left isn't a solution.

(Opinion) I don't know if that's entirely the case. I still feel like the Right (Of which I'm only somewhat a part of) are still far more likely to support quietly as opposed to protest loudly. The Left, by and large, has a much bigger introspective focus on what they aren't. It's part of the reason the Left is seemingly so disjointed in what they support. They're not Pro-Islam, they're anti-islamophobia. They're not Pro-gay, they're anti-homophobia. They're not Pro-Hispanic or Pro-Black, they're anti-racist. They're not pro-woman, they're anti-misogynist. As such, they're far more likely to act out on emotional triggers, as opposed to reasoned and principled argument.

I believe that individuals like Mike Cernovich have aptly acknowledged that, and aim to use it against them to highlight the problems that world view creates. And while I think it's okay that he's doing that, I don't think it's something that appeals to the everyday conservative libertarian.

This isn't to say that the Right is all high-minded or principle-driven

Some most definitely are

But I do think that it's generally a trait of a worldview based on tradition that you know what you are and what you believe - even if you don't have an explanation for it. And that's one of the key differences I see.

It doesn't have to be the whole right. I believe the parts of the right that live in places where they are the majority or don't really follow politics are still very mild-mannered and quiet. I would say a significant fraction is changing though which is all you need for hardcore activism.

One of the key things I see in terms of protest is that the 'buycott' is far more likely than a protest.

I also thing it's changed most in places like the west coast where they are a harassed minority.

That is, if a restaurant or something is being protested by the left for some dumb-as-fuck reason

Conservatives will come from HOURS away to reinforce.

Provided they don't back down.

That's what I think the argument is.

Is the right unifying and starting to take collective actions.

Most of them seem to be reparative.

The precise tactics may vary, but that is the question.

I think the style also changes dramatically if you are in a place where you're a harassed minority and if you're in a silent majority.

In generally, we'll abandon groups that resort to hard violence, something the left won't do as long as those groups represent opposition to something they don't like.

Yes.

It's what we are that is far more important than what we're opposed to.

Atleast for now.

I think if the left turns the country into California, things might change.