Message from @Tal,Karpov,AlekhineAllCoolGuys
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Then intersectionality got introduced to them
tbh, as someone who's actually bent I don't care at all for gay marriage
Yeah, I think the closest thing to arguing that you'd see here is that some would say the government should have no place in marriages
I think marriage is just not really that important
When you say dont care you mean you're against it or you dont consider it an issue?
I mean I just dont consider
it an issue as much
ah, gotcha
as other lgbt things
```As for the people here the main commonality seems to be anti-authoritarianism```
Naa, I'm pretty authoritaon on one or two issues...
Considering in the US at least that marriage has monetary benefits associated I'd consider it a big deal that gay people should be able to marry the people they want
Intersectionality basically says that you should help people with their issues even if you dont know anything about them
Thank god I come from Ireland, it's probably the most politicaly diverse and acceptive western countryin europe I know of
Aside from it just being a moral issue that people should have equal rights of course
Now you have a bunch of people who have literally no knowledge about political events or processes and no reason to do what they do save for the moral superiority they had when they were campaigning for LGBT rights trying to persuade people about other issues
Thus emotional/moral arguments become the norm when you try to mobilize the base into action
That's just kind of the issue with progressivism being so ingrained in the left. It's always a forward motion. Once you achieve your goal you have to find a new one or you lose a lot of your purpose
It's amusing because most of the actual people who paint themselves as, "progressive," only recently started accepting gays and such
*points at Hillary*
And those who really did just care about the issues rather than making a career out of them are then going to drop out of the race leaving behind the crazies and the inexperienced
Theres other problems too, now that your base assumes they have the moral high ground and feel that what they're doing is right you have everything you need from them
discussion of the issues becomes counteractive to your cause since it can only splinter or divide your movement
I agree, but no movement should accept extreme authoritarians and virtue signallers
Im sure that there are people who have investigated the issues and think that what the left is doing is correct, morally and otherwise.
As in they should debate them I mean
Right. I have never considered myself traditionalist, much closer to anti-traditionalist in the past, but I think we do a bad job at remembering history's important lessons.
Like we all know 'the path to hell is paved with good intentions', but so many people just hear the saying and dismiss it because it's just a popular saying and those sorts of things rarely get given good explanations other than "everyone knows that"
not kick them out
straight away
Makes sense caustic
Although authoritarians should be kicked out asap, they will only corrupt and seek to control the movement
yeah but some authoritarians are just misinformed
they've probably never heard of a reasonable counter argument
Im not saying dont debate them or dont let them speak
to their beliefs
What i am saying is dont let them into the party
Yeah
Shed brought up a good point too, history's lessons are often lost in translation
What do you guys think about Nancy Pelosi?
The point of history is to provide a perspective, to show how things react and how outside forces keep working. The lesson from history classes should be that there is a grand game being played and everyone is an essential part of it, regardless of whether they realize it or not.
Yes