My propasal on how to stop "Gun Violence", Every student has to take a firearms safety class. DNC-OH NO YOU ARE TEACHING KIDS TO USE GUNS! GOP-OH NO, YOU ARE MANDATING EDUCATIONS! Libertarians- OH NO, MORE TAX PAYER FUNDED CRAP!

The problem stems from the fact that the left started assuming they had the moral high ground

this is because for a very long while they did have the moral high ground

Last big issue they made a push for was LGBT rights

so as a result they tried

the moral high ground? and ended up being shallow and actually authoritarian

Well they did get a large base from that

after all i dont think people here would argue that you should not be able to marry a legal adult of the same sex if they consent

Then intersectionality got introduced to them

tbh, as someone who's actually bent I don't care at all for gay marriage

Yeah, I think the closest thing to arguing that you'd see here is that some would say the government should have no place in marriages

I think marriage is just not really that important

When you say dont care you mean you're against it or you dont consider it an issue?

I mean I just dont consider

it an issue as much

ah, gotcha

as other lgbt things

```As for the people here the main commonality seems to be anti-authoritarianism```
Naa, I'm pretty authoritaon on one or two issues...

Considering in the US at least that marriage has monetary benefits associated I'd consider it a big deal that gay people should be able to marry the people they want

Intersectionality basically says that you should help people with their issues even if you dont know anything about them

Thank god I come from Ireland, it's probably the most politicaly diverse and acceptive western countryin europe I know of

Aside from it just being a moral issue that people should have equal rights of course

Now you have a bunch of people who have literally no knowledge about political events or processes and no reason to do what they do save for the moral superiority they had when they were campaigning for LGBT rights trying to persuade people about other issues

Thus emotional/moral arguments become the norm when you try to mobilize the base into action

That's just kind of the issue with progressivism being so ingrained in the left. It's always a forward motion. Once you achieve your goal you have to find a new one or you lose a lot of your purpose

It's amusing because most of the actual people who paint themselves as, "progressive," only recently started accepting gays and such

*points at Hillary*

And those who really did just care about the issues rather than making a career out of them are then going to drop out of the race leaving behind the crazies and the inexperienced

*coughs* Bernie Sanders

Theres other problems too, now that your base assumes they have the moral high ground and feel that what they're doing is right you have everything you need from them

discussion of the issues becomes counteractive to your cause since it can only splinter or divide your movement

I agree, but no movement should accept extreme authoritarians and virtue signallers

Im sure that there are people who have investigated the issues and think that what the left is doing is correct, morally and otherwise.

As in they should debate them I mean

Right. I have never considered myself traditionalist, much closer to anti-traditionalist in the past, but I think we do a bad job at remembering history's important lessons.
Like we all know 'the path to hell is paved with good intentions', but so many people just hear the saying and dismiss it because it's just a popular saying and those sorts of things rarely get given good explanations other than "everyone knows that"

not kick them out

straight away

Makes sense caustic

Although authoritarians should be kicked out asap, they will only corrupt and seek to control the movement

yeah but some authoritarians are just misinformed

they've probably never heard of a reasonable counter argument