Now you have a bunch of people who have literally no knowledge about political events or processes and no reason to do what they do save for the moral superiority they had when they were campaigning for LGBT rights trying to persuade people about other issues

Thus emotional/moral arguments become the norm when you try to mobilize the base into action

That's just kind of the issue with progressivism being so ingrained in the left. It's always a forward motion. Once you achieve your goal you have to find a new one or you lose a lot of your purpose

It's amusing because most of the actual people who paint themselves as, "progressive," only recently started accepting gays and such

*points at Hillary*

And those who really did just care about the issues rather than making a career out of them are then going to drop out of the race leaving behind the crazies and the inexperienced

*coughs* Bernie Sanders

Theres other problems too, now that your base assumes they have the moral high ground and feel that what they're doing is right you have everything you need from them

discussion of the issues becomes counteractive to your cause since it can only splinter or divide your movement

I agree, but no movement should accept extreme authoritarians and virtue signallers

Im sure that there are people who have investigated the issues and think that what the left is doing is correct, morally and otherwise.

As in they should debate them I mean

Right. I have never considered myself traditionalist, much closer to anti-traditionalist in the past, but I think we do a bad job at remembering history's important lessons.
Like we all know 'the path to hell is paved with good intentions', but so many people just hear the saying and dismiss it because it's just a popular saying and those sorts of things rarely get given good explanations other than "everyone knows that"

not kick them out

straight away

Makes sense caustic

Although authoritarians should be kicked out asap, they will only corrupt and seek to control the movement

yeah but some authoritarians are just misinformed

they've probably never heard of a reasonable counter argument

Im not saying dont debate them or dont let them speak

to their beliefs

What i am saying is dont let them into the party

Yeah

Shed brought up a good point too, history's lessons are often lost in translation

What do you guys think about Nancy Pelosi?

The point of history is to provide a perspective, to show how things react and how outside forces keep working. The lesson from history classes should be that there is a grand game being played and everyone is an essential part of it, regardless of whether they realize it or not.

Yes

Agree with her one some things and disagree with her on others

For example I am strongly in favor of allowing confederate monuments to stand because of how well the US held itself together post civil war

same, but I completely despise her because of how much money she's gotten off big corporations

Those monuments are a part of culture/history of the south and they are as a american as it gets

policy wise, some things I agree but some things I disagree on

For better or worse those people fought and died for what they thought would be a better future. The soldiers and leaders deserve to be honored and remembered.

^

Though I think that such a truth should not make people forget one of the main causes for the civil war

People who say that the war was about slavery are correct. People who say that the war was about states rights are correct too.

The war was a question: Should the federal government in the US should have enough power to completely ruin the economy of a large portion of the country?

Yeah, I agree, maybe war was necessary; but they commited some atrocities in the name of the federal government that left

the south in ruin

Indeed, which is why the reconstruction was so vital that the North not occupy the south, but help them rebuild and go hands off as much as possible.

There are many people who think that the Union should have occupied the south and forced them to change their ways.