I'm not even your enemy

The most loving act is often to call out liars. I'm still waiting for Beeman to retract a single lie, or apologize for anything.

I'm just a guy who wanted to understand

If I had lied I might have something to retract

You playing offendatron at my statements and liberally rewriting them in your head does not a lie make

"Atheists are over 90% male, and over 90% of them have father issues. That's what the science shows"

guess you didn't say i specifically, but i since you want to attribute to all atheists everything bad about a majority, then following your own precedent, you called me fatherless/haivng child issues

"if you will not respect us and our beliefs, values, and how we would like society set up."

my parents are christian, so claiming i have no respect for them or what they stand for

" has tried replacing religion with Nationalism, it's turned genocidal and either fascist or commie...Secular Atheist regimes have been more murderous in just the last century than alll religions cominbed for the last 2000 years, including Islam"

claiming i'm somehow related to communism and other regimes people religious people have blamed atheist for. (guess blaming jews for that because of Karl Marx wasn't popular after WWII so 'godless commies' sounded better)

"So, again, those of us who are religious have ZERO reason to trust you, your ideas, your proposals, or your desires for society"

claiming i'm not trustworthy and knowing my desires for society

"There goes @Grenade123 lying like a typical Atheist again, completely, about how I treated him, and what I said."

and calling me a liar for calling him out on his own statements.

and i'm the one acting superior and snooty?

I'm sorry if I was rude yesterday. You just upset me, by making rather uncalled-for ad hominem arguments

Your behaviour doesn't excuse my behaviour, though

And for that I truly apologise

@Vigil when did I mock you, in particular? Could you point me to it? And can we have some context? Because I believe what happened is I first simply identfied the scientific reality that most atheists have father issues--and gave references for same--and then had someone start whining that I'd insulted them. Then that same someone later on, after denying having father issues, whined that I'd insulted them--insulted them by giving them social science data--and then admitted to having a broken family. Was that you? Or did I confuse you with someone else?

@Vigil If I made an uncalled for ad hominem against you, I will apologize.

I am capable fo getting confused.

Yes, I have a broken family, but that's unrelated to my lack of faith. You directly mocked me multiple times with statements like "Typical crybaby fatherless atheists"

Which was cruel and uncalled for and not very Christian

he just spent the last half hour doing the same to me

basically, see above

@Vigil So in other words, I did not direct that comment at you?

You did. You said it in direct response to me.

Also, @Vigil I had done nothing but give social science data when I was ATTACKED and FALSELY ACCUSED of being insulting when all I'd done was give the social science data. Here it is again, same as I gave last time:

https://smile.amazon.com/Faith-Fatherless-Psychology-Paul-Vitz-ebook/dp/B00GB97UE8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536694712&sr=8-1&keywords=faith+of+the+fatherless

And, I have more than that.

"MaxKolbeYesterday at 4:23 PM
@Vigil You are acting like a childish little boy with daddy issues wyho can't be bothered to discuss hard ideas."

Then I saw a bunch of crybabies who obviously DID have daddy issues WAILING that I'd insulted them... by simply giving them science references.

For reference, I have a college qualification in Philosophy, Ethics & Developments in Christian Thought

no, see, you gave them that after they called out your insult

as a way to hide your insult

@Grenade123 I don't see it that way, sorry.

because you didn't provide scientific evidence until later

naw, narcissists never do

OK @Grenade123 tell you what: I don't see it your way and you don't see it mine, so why don't we call it even, apologize to ech hother, and start over?

you know what? i will accept that.

I just retracted my last comment

I apologised and you doubled down on your insults. Just because a general trend is followed doesn't mean it's true in all cases. I'm not a "butthurt baby". I'm just concerned that a self-professed Christian sees fit to repeatedly and zealously mock other people instead of act politely. Ironically I'm acting more morally than you

@Stefan Payne i think you're conflating philosophy and religion. Someone can ultimately come to a value system symmetrical to a religious value system, without a theistic basis. Does that make both a religion?

@Vigil I dispute your telling of events, but I'll make you the same offering I made Grenade

What makes a religion cohesive is the same thing that makes religion dangerous when unchecked.

We can all apologize and start over, if you like.

No. I will not accept your blatant lie for the sake of pacifying you. I am not a pushover. I have already apologised. You will apologise or I am done engaging a fake Christian

Are you a sheep or a goat, Max?

@Stefan Payne I agree with you completely that you can construct a philosophical system symmetrical to a religious value systemk--although no one's ever successfully done it without invoking God in some way. Never.

@Vigil I did not lie. S