Message from @Grenade123

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2018-09-12 15:28:09 UTC  

well beeman when we start wearing traditional chinese clothing every day and eating chow mein 4 times a week hmu

2018-09-12 15:28:45 UTC  

>america owns burgers, t-shirts
Ok

2018-09-12 15:29:01 UTC  

I think the point of things not transferring was summed up best by the Slavs having white privilege thing

2018-09-12 15:29:19 UTC  

i'd say jeans more than t-shirts, but t-shirts also to a lesser degree

2018-09-12 15:29:27 UTC  

Like, I've been told I have white privilege. I'm an Irishman in a city where Irish guys have been killed by gangs for being Irish

2018-09-12 15:29:40 UTC  

I don't have privilege because I'm white, yknow

2018-09-12 15:29:58 UTC  

my best friend has been told he has white privilege and he's literally 0% white

2018-09-12 15:30:20 UTC  

>many "American" products didnt originate in America
>if you use them that's American culture

2018-09-12 15:30:23 UTC  

Yeah, like, applying judgements observed in one culture across all people of the same race is... well, racist

2018-09-12 15:30:38 UTC  

American culture seems more about attitude anyway

2018-09-12 15:30:47 UTC  

That's what I was getting at yeah

2018-09-12 15:30:52 UTC  

i mean, the majority of the american population didn't originate in america either

2018-09-12 15:31:00 UTC  

From the outside, it's about freedom, patriotism and standing up against injustice

2018-09-12 15:31:00 UTC  

Commercial output != cultural export

2018-09-12 15:31:40 UTC  

If I buy a Honda it's not necessarily because I'm keen on the culture, I just wanted a cheap car

2018-09-12 15:32:01 UTC  

i mean, obviously

2018-09-12 15:32:20 UTC  

is exporting art not exporting culture?

2018-09-12 15:32:26 UTC  

When you see people adopting the values and aesthetic preferences you have, that's more grounded

2018-09-12 15:32:31 UTC  

if a jap buys mcdonalds it's not because they want to be americanu, they just want some food

2018-09-12 15:32:50 UTC  

McDonalds also serves regional food too

2018-09-12 15:32:56 UTC  

are ex-pats just culture exports of another country?

2018-09-12 15:32:56 UTC  

they do

2018-09-12 15:33:25 UTC  

just like chinese food here has a lot of shit that they don't have in china

2018-09-12 15:33:28 UTC  

The arts is different because the arts are inherently reflective of the culture they're from, industry is about appealing to a mass audience so a strong national identity is only good for touristic appeal

2018-09-12 15:33:31 UTC  

You can export cultural signifiers, yeah, but the export of culture itself is based around behavior and attitude

2018-09-12 15:33:56 UTC  

so ex-pats and duel citizens are cultural exports

2018-09-12 15:34:06 UTC  

new insult for immigrates

2018-09-12 15:34:12 UTC  

"go home you culture export"

2018-09-12 15:34:16 UTC  

In a sense, but the expectation is that they assimilate to an extent

2018-09-12 15:34:53 UTC  

Yeah, integration into a culture is paramount

2018-09-12 15:34:58 UTC  

You shouldn't really be going to another country to export your culture

2018-09-12 15:35:12 UTC  

It's rude

2018-09-12 15:35:12 UTC  

Chinese food in the US did not originate in china, but it did originate from Chinese immigrates, designed for local tastes

2018-09-12 15:35:22 UTC  

Sure

2018-09-12 15:35:37 UTC  

And that's where the modifications happen

2018-09-12 15:35:51 UTC  

its not american culture thats taking over the world, its consumer culture of the post industrial revolution

2018-09-12 15:35:53 UTC  

The expansion of products and ideas, built around the same core cultural values

2018-09-12 15:36:02 UTC  

specifically for around things like Christmas, where everywhere would be closed but the Chinese restaurants

2018-09-12 15:36:10 UTC  

Rather than the product itself

2018-09-12 15:36:12 UTC  

very capitalist/american of them

2018-09-12 15:36:21 UTC  

Or the simple extension of a corporate chain