Message from @pratel

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2018-09-21 00:38:07 UTC  

What do you mean by 'You'd figure people would figure it all out and decide "the enemy of my enemy" but somehow everyone misses these things.'?

2018-09-21 00:44:24 UTC  

I assume the alt-right is against people like Corbyn (this might actually be incorrect--according to the Nation, Richard Spencer has gone full communist lately). I also assume that the alt-right isn't too fond of Radical Islamists.

Jews aren't liked by either too much. You would figure the alt-right would want to protect the people they are mutually against.

2018-09-21 00:44:33 UTC  

But that clearly never happened.

2018-09-21 00:45:19 UTC  

ah, thanks. I get you now.

2018-09-21 00:46:44 UTC  

Also Jewish people do tend to stick together, and as many consider being jewish to be their identity it can lead to a certain amount of camaradarie which can lead to nepotism. Also by sticking together others view that as them choosing to be an "other" which means it's not too surprising(though not excusable) that some would consider this to be 'conspiring'.

2018-09-21 00:47:42 UTC  

I think if history went a little bit differently we'd see a ton of Asian conspiracy theories.

2018-09-21 00:48:26 UTC  

There's still time.

2018-09-21 00:48:29 UTC  

Asians are a much larger group.

2018-09-21 00:49:09 UTC  

There's clearly Asians who don't do as well. But again, most Jews don't distinguish well, so the ones who aren't doing well stick out too.

2018-09-21 00:49:32 UTC  

Much harder to make conspiracies about them controlling things.

2018-09-21 00:49:34 UTC  

That's a good point

2018-09-21 00:50:39 UTC  

On the other hand, whites are a rather big group and Social Justice is basically a giant conspiracy theory about whites (still) conspiring keeping everyone else down

2018-09-21 00:50:49 UTC  

Asian is not both a religious group and an ethnicity

2018-09-21 00:50:55 UTC  

Unlike Jewish

2018-09-21 00:51:05 UTC  

I'm not sure that's really that important.

2018-09-21 00:51:19 UTC  

I mean, the masons are a conspiracy theory and they aren't either.

2018-09-21 00:51:24 UTC  

I think the attachment of a religion does make a difference

2018-09-21 00:53:01 UTC  

I agree with this. You can choose not to believe in something. If you are going to say the Asians are at it, it's a purely racist remark. With Jews you've got an ideology to point at too.

2018-09-21 00:53:19 UTC  

Exactly

2018-09-21 00:55:16 UTC  

In fact, I think everything is pointed at the ideology, and the ethnicity is a scapegoat for why someone they dislike is part of it or why they don't watch with an accusation.

2018-09-21 00:55:43 UTC  

But what is Jewish ideology and how is it that different than western ideology?

2018-09-21 00:56:32 UTC  

That doesn't matter when you don't like someone.

2018-09-21 00:57:20 UTC  

There is more of focus on putting other members of the ideology above other people I believe

2018-09-21 00:58:21 UTC  

Also they are something different, so if you encounter the "holier than thou" types, you can blame the difference in ideology as them just being smug

2018-09-21 01:04:03 UTC  

Cheers guys. Time for some sleep. Have a good night.

2018-09-21 01:05:31 UTC  

But then, Grenade, you could make the same argument about ethnic groups that tend to self-select too.

2018-09-21 01:05:51 UTC  

Which contradicts the religiousness is the key element.

2018-09-21 01:44:56 UTC  

Have there been any studies to date that show what percentage of iq/ability is due to culture and what is due to "scientific racism"?

2018-09-21 01:47:15 UTC  

I know Tim believes it is mostly cultural. But someone Like Stefan will pull numbers saying it is split around 20/80

2018-09-21 02:06:51 UTC  

That's because most of the studies he's found suggest 50% minimum. And I've found the same

2018-09-21 02:07:25 UTC  

However the cultural argument should also be, to lefties, racist

2018-09-21 02:07:33 UTC  

Which is probably why IQ is verboten

2018-09-21 02:11:04 UTC  

He meaning Stefan, not Tim

2018-09-21 02:11:43 UTC  

That said, IQ isn't perfect

2018-09-21 02:28:02 UTC  

I don't think IQ perfectly maps ones potential ability. It lacks nuance. However I do view it as a strong indicator for an individuals ability.

2018-09-21 02:47:28 UTC  

nobody says it maps perfectly to potential ability

2018-09-21 02:47:37 UTC  

highest number I've ever seen is like 86%

2018-09-21 02:48:03 UTC  

Look up studies on twins separated at birth.

2018-09-21 02:48:09 UTC  

That should give you some indication.

2018-09-21 02:48:45 UTC  

those are just case studies. There's larger studies with more data that still point towards considerable influence from gentics

2018-09-21 02:50:03 UTC  

Of course they're going to be case studies. I don't see there being a sudden upswell in the separated-at-birth-twins-who-subsequently-participate-in-IQ-studies numbers. 😄