Message from @Grenade123

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2018-09-21 00:01:24 UTC  

Can someone answer me this question. Why do people think that the Jews are behind the attacks on white people and western culture? Why think that the Jews are the ones poring muslims into the EU?

2018-09-21 00:05:43 UTC  

A combination of paranoia and envy? Jewish culture promotes values which tend to lead to personal success and therefore Jewish people tend to end up in high places. Doctors, lawyers, professors, scientists, CEOs, etc. Instead of trying to understand the cultural reasons behind their attainment, some people just assume that there's some sort of conspiracy behind it.

2018-09-21 00:07:48 UTC  

Look at the Bar Mitzvah for example. That's the 'coming of age' ritual for men in Judaism. A lot of cultures with male 'coming of age' rituals focus on some physical ability. Jews read from a book and do public speaking.

2018-09-21 00:10:04 UTC  

In order to become a man they must demonstrate both literacy and the ability to speak publicly in front of their peers and elders. They have to prepare for that ahead of time in order to not look like fools. So that gives some idea of what Jewish culture emphasizes.

2018-09-21 00:10:24 UTC  

Another way to look at it is how many famous Jewish athletes do you know?

2018-09-21 00:10:57 UTC  

Thank you.

2018-09-21 00:12:23 UTC  

Now it's true that there were a lot of Jewish academics that participated in early socialist movements, but that's because a) there were a lot of Jewish academics and b) academics have always been overwhelmingly left leaning.

2018-09-21 00:32:40 UTC  

I don't know. Jews are as white as it comes. Outside a couple odd holidays and traditions, it's almost impossible to distinguish a jew from anyone else. Ben Shapiro is Jewish. And Israel is practically a western nation with some weird idiosyncrasies. It is a difficult argument to make when the most Jewish nation is also the most locally western.

The left's issues (think Corbyn) with Jews makes sense and they are dead serious about the whole thing. You'd figure people would figure it all out and decide "the enemy of my enemy" but somehow everyone misses these things.

I think it's because the societal elite are disproportionately Jewish (though not so overwhelmingly they would actually control everything) and populists tend to blame the elites. Or the alt-right are being edgy with their Hitler worship and taking on the anti-jew elements. The alt-right does have a weird thing with traditional western culture, which wasn't too fond of Jews. It could be any number of these.

My guess is that it's 70% edge, 29.999% anti-establishment and 0.001% actual anti-semitism. Honestly, It never really made any sense to me. I do see where people believe the cultural establishment in the west dislikes traditional western culture (honestly, that much is probably true). Actually, the Jew hate it's very counter-productive. It becomes hard to point out how incestuous and closed the media is without people making nonsensical allegations you're some kind of closet anti-Semite (as happened to Elon Musk).

2018-09-21 00:38:07 UTC  

What do you mean by 'You'd figure people would figure it all out and decide "the enemy of my enemy" but somehow everyone misses these things.'?

2018-09-21 00:44:24 UTC  

I assume the alt-right is against people like Corbyn (this might actually be incorrect--according to the Nation, Richard Spencer has gone full communist lately). I also assume that the alt-right isn't too fond of Radical Islamists.

Jews aren't liked by either too much. You would figure the alt-right would want to protect the people they are mutually against.

2018-09-21 00:44:33 UTC  

But that clearly never happened.

2018-09-21 00:45:19 UTC  

ah, thanks. I get you now.

2018-09-21 00:46:44 UTC  

Also Jewish people do tend to stick together, and as many consider being jewish to be their identity it can lead to a certain amount of camaradarie which can lead to nepotism. Also by sticking together others view that as them choosing to be an "other" which means it's not too surprising(though not excusable) that some would consider this to be 'conspiring'.

2018-09-21 00:47:42 UTC  

I think if history went a little bit differently we'd see a ton of Asian conspiracy theories.

2018-09-21 00:48:26 UTC  

There's still time.

2018-09-21 00:48:29 UTC  

Asians are a much larger group.

2018-09-21 00:49:09 UTC  

There's clearly Asians who don't do as well. But again, most Jews don't distinguish well, so the ones who aren't doing well stick out too.

2018-09-21 00:49:32 UTC  

Much harder to make conspiracies about them controlling things.

2018-09-21 00:49:34 UTC  

That's a good point

2018-09-21 00:50:39 UTC  

On the other hand, whites are a rather big group and Social Justice is basically a giant conspiracy theory about whites (still) conspiring keeping everyone else down

2018-09-21 00:50:49 UTC  

Asian is not both a religious group and an ethnicity

2018-09-21 00:50:55 UTC  

Unlike Jewish

2018-09-21 00:51:05 UTC  

I'm not sure that's really that important.

2018-09-21 00:51:19 UTC  

I mean, the masons are a conspiracy theory and they aren't either.

2018-09-21 00:51:24 UTC  

I think the attachment of a religion does make a difference

2018-09-21 00:53:01 UTC  

I agree with this. You can choose not to believe in something. If you are going to say the Asians are at it, it's a purely racist remark. With Jews you've got an ideology to point at too.

2018-09-21 00:53:19 UTC  

Exactly

2018-09-21 00:55:16 UTC  

In fact, I think everything is pointed at the ideology, and the ethnicity is a scapegoat for why someone they dislike is part of it or why they don't watch with an accusation.

2018-09-21 00:55:43 UTC  

But what is Jewish ideology and how is it that different than western ideology?

2018-09-21 00:56:32 UTC  

That doesn't matter when you don't like someone.

2018-09-21 00:57:20 UTC  

There is more of focus on putting other members of the ideology above other people I believe

2018-09-21 00:58:21 UTC  

Also they are something different, so if you encounter the "holier than thou" types, you can blame the difference in ideology as them just being smug

2018-09-21 01:04:03 UTC  

Cheers guys. Time for some sleep. Have a good night.

2018-09-21 01:05:31 UTC  

But then, Grenade, you could make the same argument about ethnic groups that tend to self-select too.

2018-09-21 01:05:51 UTC  

Which contradicts the religiousness is the key element.

2018-09-21 01:44:56 UTC  

Have there been any studies to date that show what percentage of iq/ability is due to culture and what is due to "scientific racism"?

2018-09-21 01:47:15 UTC  

I know Tim believes it is mostly cultural. But someone Like Stefan will pull numbers saying it is split around 20/80

2018-09-21 02:06:51 UTC  

That's because most of the studies he's found suggest 50% minimum. And I've found the same

2018-09-21 02:07:25 UTC  

However the cultural argument should also be, to lefties, racist

2018-09-21 02:07:33 UTC  

Which is probably why IQ is verboten

2018-09-21 02:11:04 UTC  

He meaning Stefan, not Tim