@Deleted User ya the whole 'follow your heart' thing doesn't speak to a lot of relatively intelligent but neurotic people, it sounds completely empty to them, tbh kinda a slap in the face. Sams point with that would work if everybody was naturally motivated but they aren't, which in regards to more regular life advice stuff is where some of petersons stuff speaks to more people

idk i dont like being one of the masses, just so boring and un fulfilling to follow someone without believing in them/it yourself

oh yeah ofc nothing wrong with that

i think payne was more refering to people who put individuals on very high pedestals, to the extreme etc

I can't remember where I saw it, but I heard a theory that unmarried men are much more to the right than average and unmarried women are much more to the left. Supposedly, marriage moderates both sexes.

isn't jbp pretty much self help 101 + jesus

No, JBP is baby's first Nietzsche and Jung + Jesus

Peterson is half right but Harris is all wrong.

Whats JBP wrong about? actually curious

Oh what was the Jesus Word Harris used??

Jesus Smuggling?

sorry, that was @Stefan Payne

Yes, that was it!

Y'know, Sam Harris is the most religious person in the Pangbourne debates

his religion is Atheism. He is more evanjelical than the Mormons

Everyone's got a religion

mine's anime thighs

```Everyone's got a religion```
Exactly my point. When you don't believe in God, your mind looks for other things to believe in. And if they aren't ment to be believed in, its a very very bad thing.

many people are ok with not knowing

I've got no idea

there could be a god of some kind

Or maybe we all originated from the big bang

Or maybe we are living in a simulation

or maybe something completely different

my religion is capitalism

```Everyone's got a religion```
I dont. That might be thing for people who "stopped beliving"🤔

But i have been atheist all my life. So no, not everyone have religion.

I think the issue here is what people define as a "relligion"

Like for example, is relligion something you hold as a standard? "I relligiously follow a certain rule"

A diety you follow? What constitutes a diety?

The lack of belief a belief?

If you want to continue this discussion further it would be wise for everyone to state what their defination of a relligion is. Or at the very least, what something has to have before you consider it relligion

religion

rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/

noun

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"

synonyymit:faith, belief, divinity, worship, creed, teaching, doctrine, theology

a particular system of faith and worship.

plural noun: religions

"the world's great religions"

a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.

"consumerism is the new religion"

Belief is to hold some value or statement as self-evident

There is nothing in the universe to prove that justice is real. Even when it comes to matter vs antimatter, the universe is heavily biased towards matter. But since ancient times we have upheld justice as a cardinal virtue.

Many athiests believe the failings of communism have been that bad people attempted it, not systematic.

yeah all commies are retarded.
but good old "correlation does not imply causation"

1.) I think Donald should call the Press "JJJ" from Spider-Man

2.) ```my religion is capitalism```
That is very bad as you can see in China, where they have no Religion and would sell their mother for Money...

selling your mother for money isn't capitalism. it's just common sense.

some people preach atheism as if it's just another religion

>selling your mother for money is just common sense.
WTF

>some people preach atheism as if it's just another religion
they are not atheist by the defenition...