@shinsoo If you are born a bloke and then decide you are now a 'Xer' and Xer happens to be primarily female but you are also an avid footballer so now you want to play on the girls team. It's not fair. You can Identify as what the hell you like but that isn't going to take precedence over fair play.

why are you even giving legimacy to idea that there is more than two genders?

Prisons. You get done for rape, as a man, decide you are now a Xer and want to be sent to a female prison.

Fuck even I'd do that.

The problem I have with "new pronouns" are they're hard to define and I find a lot of the "new genders" aren't actual... genders, they're adjectives to describe one's gender. I see gender more as the perspective one has on their sex and don't give it any real credence outside of cis, trans and asexual

Trans != >2genders

Wait, asexual is a sexuality, I mean agender

sports aren't differentiated by pronoun though @Poppy Rider
no matter your pronoun, if you've transitioned, you should play with others of your gender

As far as bio there is only two. But the third is still considered a birth defect as far as I know.

nonbinaries and agender ppl are a bit more difficult

gender identity to be precise, you can identify somwhere between the two genders

@shinsoo what do you mean exactly when you say gender?

the idea is you don't fall what is strictly considered one way or another

as in, if you're a trans guy you should play with other guys after transitioning

If you were born a man and went through puberty as a man you should not be allowed anywhere near competitive female sports. Also you don't get to play against the girls coz that's how you identify.

If you're a transwoman MMA fighter you should fight women?

aye, if you've transitioned

no

You're just going to get women injured m8

you're wroge.

Never right to hit a woman

The main things that concern/frustrate me are;
a) when people try and identify as something abstract that has no relation to sex, e.g. my girlfriend once unironically saw someone on tumblr say their gender identity was Chinese
b) when people think having certain superficial qualities make them intersex- a stereotypically boyish girl is not necessarily transsexual

Transitioning doesn't undo the amount of testosterone you've had pumped into your system. Dimorphism isn't going to be undone with pills

cutting out your dick doesnt change your sex.
you are still man with mutilated gentelas

you're trying to get a woman to play in the male leagues
that's ridiculous

I'm trying to get someone with male levels of testosterone to compete with those who also have similar levels

The amount of T in a man can never be the same as you can pump into a woman without serious damage.

I identify as a man with tattoos all over my face. I can't join the police service or the military. It severely limits my choice in life. You can't expect to change something so drastic as your gender and face no side effects. Choices have consequences.

I think the issue Beemann is trying to bring up is that a trans woman MMA fighter has an unfair biological advantage- it would be of no concern if a trans woman was identical to a biological female, but the issue is that a trans woman is generally taller, stronger, has longer reach, and weighs more

So generally speaking a cis woman will get the shit kicked out of her

she wouldn't have a significant advantage after transitioning tho
look at Fallon Fox

she's a featherweight and not particularly remarkable

I'm not sure I know Fallon Fox

You are talking about bone mass, tendon strength and muscular density.

she's the trans woman mma fighter that made headlines

There's always exceptions, tbf

mutilating your genetals doesnt change your sex.
same way as chaning logos on car doesnt change car brand.

I just think as a general rule, bio males do have a significant advantage when it comes to fighting

honestly, i think this whole sports issue is only temporary as new generations start preparation / transitioning early

It is so different.

>transitioning early
Unethical tbh. Dysphoria in kids very rarely goes beyond 18