But you defended spoiled ballots, and losing votes, which don't do that

becuase you are still contributing to the voting process

What does voting for Harambe contribute?

becuase that shows you dont support either canidayes

The argument is 'You don;t have a right to complain if you don't vote'. I disagree, if you are so frustrated with politics that you can't find a single party to vote for that means that their is no one out there that you think is willing to act in your interest and you can complain about that.
Voting third party is a better way of showing your frustration than not voting as you can't be distinguished from someone that doesn't care.
You have a right to complain coz it is the parties fault for not engaging enough with the populous.

No it just shows you spoiled a ballot

no you said make a stand

Just like not voting just shows you didn't vote

Both can mean that you disapprove of the available candidates

no it shows lazyness

So does picking the first name on a list

But you defended that because it's voting

how is it lazy

So going somewhere to mindlessly check a box is fine, that's not lazy?

to vote

Because you didn't put any thought into it

i did i didnt want either in office so i put my vote there

thats the point

If I give you a tractor and you don't know how it works, and you just start doing shit randomly, is that better than sitting still because you didn't know how it works?
That's not what I said, read the example

thats a intirely different beast

Nah m8, you weren't lazy and made a change

It doesn't matter that you rammed the tractor into a tree

no i dont know to fix a tractor

thats the difference lol

i know where i wantchange

You also probably don't know all the ins and outs of politics and the economy

no but majprtiy of a maerica doesnt we vote for simple thigns we want

and if you dont want to vote to get those changes then thats on you

And someone who isn't paying attention to the issues and picks a name at random definitely doesn't know

But you've defended the virtue of their "effort"

example i wanted gay rights so i voted obama both times

at least u guys have a right to vote

i have a duty to vote

if i dont i can get fined

no matter how utter garbage the candidates are

oz?

i dont get the case you made @Beemann to not vote eqauls right to complain

If I have a contest and you join knowing the terms of the contest, why do you get to complain when it doesn't go your way?

Just sounds like a sore loser tbh

i joined there the reason why i get to

You made a contradictory statement