well for me its amattter of contributing to the political climate if you dont vote you are not contributing through any sort of action ]\

Voting is the only way to contribute?

There is a point where if enough people don't vote then the vote can't be counted. Not voting can be seen as a political expression.

when it comes to people in office yes

example

So if person A informs people of the issues, organizes protests, participates in and donates to whistleblowing groups but does not vote and person B voted for the first name that appears on the list, person B contributes and person A does not

?

if i dont vote but i dont like my governer but i never voted againt him i have no right to complain because i did nothing to stop it

and they only way to stop it is by voting

That assumes voting is a way to stop it

it is

If I have a left wing party and a left wing party competing for the majority decision how do I not have a left wing politician in my riding?

I don't think it's as simple as that @CougarChaser

it actually is just i think [people nowadayys dont think there vote matters so they dont vote

which when someone like trump gets in office you only have yourself to blame and you lose your right to complain cause you didnt fight for it to change where it really mattered

in the polls

when there is clear voter fraud going on and the powers at be claim its not happening, its hard not to feel like its as useful as voting in a russian election

you can protest and whatever but voting is where it all comes down

Sorry, what was the solution to Trump exactly? Voting for Hillary?

either or or write a name down i voted independent

And again I point to a scenario where the voter turnout is so low due to political disenfranchisement that the vote is null and void. Not voting can be statement.

no not voting only hurts you theres no statement

So how did voting independent fix the Trump "issue"?

actually it hurts everyone and it didnt but at least i voted for change

beats not voting at all

But what have you contributed in real concrete terms, to US politics

What actual change have you made?

dont need to do anything else because everything e;se starts with the vote

Lol

"I voted, and it didn't work, so I'm absolved of any action for the next 4 years"

@Beemann For the third party arguement I'll point to Brexit. It was the UKIP that wanted a ref. They didn't get anywhere near power but still got their one and onnly policy coz the main party was scared of losing.

Third party votes do matter.

For the third party argument I'll point to most Canadian provinces, where 2 parties fight for power and the third gets an opposition seat

2 left wing parties, generally

either way if you dont vote you dont have a right to complain about whos in office becasue you had a chance to change it with your vote

What was your % chance of putting Johnson or Stein in instead of Trump/Hillary?

slim to none but it doesnt matter beats not voting at all

@Beemann It's not about putting a thrid party in power, it's about sending a message to shift the convocation.

and not contributing to society with our most important right

https://newrepublic.com/article/146884/america-stuck-two-parties

It was none, and what did you shift the conversation to?