Message from @Dvir

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2018-10-24 19:47:11 UTC  

Like split-personality disorder?

2018-10-24 19:47:22 UTC  

When we have not yet determined how it can contain a single consciousness, how can it contain a second

2018-10-24 19:47:38 UTC  

No, like how you say it joins with god

2018-10-24 19:49:28 UTC  

I believe that your soul is your own and it is your soul that gives you will. You don't have direct will over your body or your spirit/subconscious being, but you have the power to shape your body and spirit through your actions in the world.

2018-10-24 19:50:45 UTC  

So I wouldn't call it multi-conscious because they are all codependent on each other to maintain a consciousness.

2018-10-24 19:51:19 UTC  

That would infer that you were incapable of exerting your own will

2018-10-24 19:52:02 UTC  

No, but to exert your will you have to contest both with your body and your subconscious mind.

2018-10-24 19:52:30 UTC  

People do not have free will innately

2018-10-24 19:53:20 UTC  

According to a Christian perspective your will is either a slave to sin or righteousness

2018-10-24 19:54:11 UTC  

My perspective would be that your will is your intent, and your actions are the embodiment of your intent

2018-10-24 19:54:14 UTC  

Gnostics generally deny the idea of objective sin, since a sin is only perceptual.

2018-10-24 19:54:51 UTC  

Therefore your will is free

2018-10-24 19:55:39 UTC  

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” - Heinlein

2018-10-24 19:56:35 UTC  

Similarly there is no original sin, Humanity was just in eating from the Tree of Knowledge because it granted them consciousness and free will.

2018-10-24 19:57:53 UTC  

Because of that, Jesus Christ (Yeshua Ha'Notzri) was not seen as a figure meant to be the redeemer of Humanity, but as a Buddhic figure brought into the world to share divine insight and enlightenment.

2018-10-24 19:58:18 UTC  

The Christian argument is that it is because of free will that the decision to eat the fruit ocurred, not the result

2018-10-24 19:58:37 UTC  

Well the snake tricked Eve

2018-10-24 19:59:01 UTC  

She ate from the tree because she didn't have free will.

2018-10-24 19:59:22 UTC  

Eden was a false paradise.

2018-10-24 19:59:26 UTC  

Thats not necessarily the case

2018-10-24 19:59:43 UTC  

It was the idyllic bliss of Man living in Nature.

2018-10-24 19:59:58 UTC  

She ate from the tree because she had the free will to decide between the things that God told her and the things the snake told her

2018-10-24 20:00:51 UTC  

What I am saying is pretty subjective

2018-10-24 20:01:04 UTC  

And that is probably the more canonical interpretation

2018-10-24 20:01:30 UTC  

Her intent was to find out the truth, her actions were done under the supposition that the snake was telling the truth

2018-10-24 20:01:54 UTC  

Snake dindu nuffin

2018-10-24 20:01:57 UTC  

She has free will, but decided to act based upon an incorrect supposition

2018-10-24 20:03:25 UTC  

She lacked the knowledge to know that the snake was evil

2018-10-24 20:04:11 UTC  

Another argument would be that the existence of the tree and the snake prove that there was free will, because without the ability to explore those options, your will is not free due to being shackled through limitations

2018-10-24 20:04:44 UTC  

That is a more apt way of putting it

2018-10-24 20:07:16 UTC  

So according to that way of thinking, you do innately have free will

2018-10-24 20:09:09 UTC  

But, if your consciousness is joined by that of an external party, then surely you no longer have free will

2018-10-24 20:09:31 UTC  

Because when your will is no longer your own, it cannot be free

2018-10-24 20:14:44 UTC  

If put into semantics it would be better to say you innately have 1/3 free will.

2018-10-24 20:15:11 UTC  

Your soul is your own, at least a normal persons soul is their own.

2018-10-24 20:15:53 UTC  

You're spirit is aspect of your consciousness that you do not control with free will, your subconscious.

2018-10-24 20:17:10 UTC  

And you're body is innately limiting, because its flesh and material.

2018-10-24 20:17:37 UTC  

To have full free will is to have absolute control over the nature of existence

2018-10-24 20:17:52 UTC  

That is not true

2018-10-24 20:17:54 UTC  

What you will becomes what is

2018-10-24 20:18:22 UTC  

Free will is the ability to manfest your intentions to the world