Message from @PerformedShelf

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2018-10-24 19:36:29 UTC  

Even if you believe atheism is good you cannot concede that in of itself it is the ultimate redemptive ideology for man.

2018-10-24 19:36:51 UTC  

its not ideology

2018-10-24 19:37:42 UTC  

And if atheism lead to utopia the Soviet Union would've been a utopia.

2018-10-24 19:38:02 UTC  

Also God doesn't need or desire praise.

2018-10-24 19:38:12 UTC  

You gain strength through union with God.

2018-10-24 19:39:02 UTC  

Your will is empowered, you join yourself to a higher principle, one that supersedes material law.

2018-10-24 19:39:58 UTC  

If atheism lead to more prosperous societies it would have become commonplace in distinct structured societies around the world.

2018-10-24 19:40:25 UTC  

Instead, the only indigenous human tribes we've encountered that were atheists were the ones with the lowest iq

2018-10-24 19:40:39 UTC  

Is it possible for a consciousness that exists due to being comprised of the different parts of the human body coalescing into a conscious being, to be joined with another consciousness without being destroyed?

2018-10-24 19:41:06 UTC  

You let it into yourself.

2018-10-24 19:41:12 UTC  

By your definition, that consciousness is unique to your own body

2018-10-24 19:41:23 UTC  

i dont think atheism leads to utopia.
and correlation does not imply causation😉

and i rather go back to roots and go pagan.

2018-10-24 19:42:33 UTC  

Well, I perceive consciousness as being able to exist through a union of a body/brain, soul/mind, and spirit/subconscious.

2018-10-24 19:42:59 UTC  

If you take away any one of these you would no longer be a conscious entity.

2018-10-24 19:43:35 UTC  

I've heard that perspective before

2018-10-24 19:44:06 UTC  

Yeah, common in Gnosticism and many other groups.

2018-10-24 19:44:33 UTC  

Mine would lean toward them being one and the same

2018-10-24 19:46:03 UTC  

I also think you can apply the three parts of your being to your three deaths; the death of your body, the death of your memory, and the death of your actions.

2018-10-24 19:46:41 UTC  

One main question I would have is: Is it possible for the physiological brain to contain more than one consciousness

2018-10-24 19:47:11 UTC  

Like split-personality disorder?

2018-10-24 19:47:22 UTC  

When we have not yet determined how it can contain a single consciousness, how can it contain a second

2018-10-24 19:47:38 UTC  

No, like how you say it joins with god

2018-10-24 19:49:28 UTC  

I believe that your soul is your own and it is your soul that gives you will. You don't have direct will over your body or your spirit/subconscious being, but you have the power to shape your body and spirit through your actions in the world.

2018-10-24 19:50:45 UTC  

So I wouldn't call it multi-conscious because they are all codependent on each other to maintain a consciousness.

2018-10-24 19:51:19 UTC  

That would infer that you were incapable of exerting your own will

2018-10-24 19:52:02 UTC  

No, but to exert your will you have to contest both with your body and your subconscious mind.

2018-10-24 19:52:30 UTC  

People do not have free will innately

2018-10-24 19:53:20 UTC  

According to a Christian perspective your will is either a slave to sin or righteousness

2018-10-24 19:54:11 UTC  

My perspective would be that your will is your intent, and your actions are the embodiment of your intent

2018-10-24 19:54:14 UTC  

Gnostics generally deny the idea of objective sin, since a sin is only perceptual.

2018-10-24 19:54:51 UTC  

Therefore your will is free

2018-10-24 19:55:39 UTC  

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” - Heinlein

2018-10-24 19:56:35 UTC  

Similarly there is no original sin, Humanity was just in eating from the Tree of Knowledge because it granted them consciousness and free will.

2018-10-24 19:57:53 UTC  

Because of that, Jesus Christ (Yeshua Ha'Notzri) was not seen as a figure meant to be the redeemer of Humanity, but as a Buddhic figure brought into the world to share divine insight and enlightenment.

2018-10-24 19:58:18 UTC  

The Christian argument is that it is because of free will that the decision to eat the fruit ocurred, not the result

2018-10-24 19:58:37 UTC  

Well the snake tricked Eve

2018-10-24 19:59:01 UTC  

She ate from the tree because she didn't have free will.

2018-10-24 19:59:22 UTC  

Eden was a false paradise.

2018-10-24 19:59:26 UTC  

Thats not necessarily the case

2018-10-24 19:59:43 UTC  

It was the idyllic bliss of Man living in Nature.

2018-10-24 19:59:58 UTC  

She ate from the tree because she had the free will to decide between the things that God told her and the things the snake told her