Message from @velvitonator

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2018-10-28 19:44:10 UTC  

I think both of those things is true, though

2018-10-28 19:44:16 UTC  

Anyone can make a social network

2018-10-28 19:44:27 UTC  

See: Gab, Minds, more small ones

2018-10-28 19:44:39 UTC  

What we need to figure out is a way around payment processors

2018-10-28 19:44:42 UTC  

Just because it doesn't displace all at once doesn't mean it's not competing with it

2018-10-28 19:44:49 UTC  

gab may not last the night.

2018-10-28 19:44:57 UTC  

We can get around thinks like ISPs, but that requires a community effort.

2018-10-28 19:45:15 UTC  

Tor/VPN?

2018-10-28 19:45:39 UTC  

Minds is a step. Cryptos might be a way to get around the problem. But they are still too unstable

2018-10-28 19:45:47 UTC  

still requires hosting infrastructure and payment processors

2018-10-28 19:46:02 UTC  

Really why are payment processors even needed? Because we are too lazy to write monthly checks.

2018-10-28 19:46:06 UTC  

gab is being booted from its second host within hours

2018-10-28 19:46:09 UTC  

I thought Minds had some internal crypto?

2018-10-28 19:46:10 UTC  

Or ship hard cash

2018-10-28 19:46:16 UTC  

I think minds does

2018-10-28 19:46:41 UTC  

No, payment processors mitigate risk and volume

2018-10-28 19:46:50 UTC  

Or maybe that is steemit

2018-10-28 19:46:54 UTC  

and currently its only sources of income are shopify and startengine, both of which are likely to be lost as they rely on the same payment processors through a middleman

2018-10-28 19:47:08 UTC  

TBH I'm not gonna shed any tears over gab

2018-10-28 19:47:11 UTC  

mind's internal crypto is a failure

2018-10-28 19:47:23 UTC  

But there's nothing that really prevents it from operating

2018-10-28 19:47:36 UTC  

You could e.g. host it as a Tor service

2018-10-28 19:47:36 UTC  

network effects

2018-10-28 19:48:11 UTC  

the value of a cryptocurrency is directly dependent on the number of people using it, and the number of people using minds is directly dependent on having a means of making money using it.

2018-10-28 19:48:25 UTC  

Oh I agree, it's a problem

2018-10-28 19:48:28 UTC  

tor barely functions as is

2018-10-28 19:48:31 UTC  

To a degree, but there are also other factors

2018-10-28 19:48:44 UTC  

putting something like a major social media platform on it would cripple it

2018-10-28 19:48:51 UTC  

What we're seeing is the intensification of those other factors

2018-10-28 19:49:09 UTC  

Gab is not a major social media platform

2018-10-28 19:49:44 UTC  

We need to find the source of there not being a good alternative payment processor. Without identifing the roadblocks, you are not solving the problem.

2018-10-28 19:49:47 UTC  

Tor's capacity has also improved a lot over the past few years

2018-10-28 19:49:53 UTC  

Partly due to Snowden, likely

2018-10-28 19:49:55 UTC  

Meaning any regulation would be a bandaid

2018-10-28 19:50:00 UTC  

And that is very bad

2018-10-28 19:50:28 UTC  

The only solution I can see is some kind of cryptocurrency

2018-10-28 19:50:48 UTC  

Or at lest, something with most of the same properties

2018-10-28 19:51:04 UTC  

There's still likely a cash-out endpoint (for the near to medium future)

2018-10-28 19:51:20 UTC  

But at that point you're worried about e.g. banks stopping transfers because of your opinions

2018-10-28 19:51:41 UTC  

I can't say there's 0% chance of that, but they seem to be used to being hated

2018-10-28 19:51:54 UTC  

So probably are less susceptible to the sway of popular opinion