Message from @velvitonator

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2018-10-28 19:46:41 UTC  

No, payment processors mitigate risk and volume

2018-10-28 19:46:50 UTC  

Or maybe that is steemit

2018-10-28 19:46:54 UTC  

and currently its only sources of income are shopify and startengine, both of which are likely to be lost as they rely on the same payment processors through a middleman

2018-10-28 19:47:08 UTC  

TBH I'm not gonna shed any tears over gab

2018-10-28 19:47:11 UTC  

mind's internal crypto is a failure

2018-10-28 19:47:23 UTC  

But there's nothing that really prevents it from operating

2018-10-28 19:47:36 UTC  

You could e.g. host it as a Tor service

2018-10-28 19:47:36 UTC  

network effects

2018-10-28 19:48:11 UTC  

the value of a cryptocurrency is directly dependent on the number of people using it, and the number of people using minds is directly dependent on having a means of making money using it.

2018-10-28 19:48:25 UTC  

Oh I agree, it's a problem

2018-10-28 19:48:28 UTC  

tor barely functions as is

2018-10-28 19:48:31 UTC  

To a degree, but there are also other factors

2018-10-28 19:48:44 UTC  

putting something like a major social media platform on it would cripple it

2018-10-28 19:48:51 UTC  

What we're seeing is the intensification of those other factors

2018-10-28 19:49:09 UTC  

Gab is not a major social media platform

2018-10-28 19:49:44 UTC  

We need to find the source of there not being a good alternative payment processor. Without identifing the roadblocks, you are not solving the problem.

2018-10-28 19:49:47 UTC  

Tor's capacity has also improved a lot over the past few years

2018-10-28 19:49:53 UTC  

Partly due to Snowden, likely

2018-10-28 19:49:55 UTC  

Meaning any regulation would be a bandaid

2018-10-28 19:50:00 UTC  

And that is very bad

2018-10-28 19:50:28 UTC  

The only solution I can see is some kind of cryptocurrency

2018-10-28 19:50:48 UTC  

Or at lest, something with most of the same properties

2018-10-28 19:51:04 UTC  

There's still likely a cash-out endpoint (for the near to medium future)

2018-10-28 19:51:20 UTC  

But at that point you're worried about e.g. banks stopping transfers because of your opinions

2018-10-28 19:51:41 UTC  

I can't say there's 0% chance of that, but they seem to be used to being hated

2018-10-28 19:51:54 UTC  

So probably are less susceptible to the sway of popular opinion

2018-10-28 19:54:35 UTC  

Corporations control our money (banks) and the government indirectly controls the banks. Without something decentralized, one of the two will always shut us down

2018-10-28 19:54:59 UTC  

If you go with regulation, you are giving a tool to the democrats when they get back into power

2018-10-28 19:55:13 UTC  

I don't think the banks are quite so helpless

2018-10-28 19:55:24 UTC  

They were able to get themselves those bailouts, after all

2018-10-28 19:55:54 UTC  

It's a highly regulated industries. Only take a law or two to basically nationalize them.

2018-10-28 19:56:15 UTC  

But like I said, one of the two will always be able to shut you down. Corporation or government

2018-10-28 19:56:24 UTC  

some sort of legislation preventing financial institutions from taking ideological stances might do the trick

2018-10-28 19:57:04 UTC  

I agree there's always a possibility

2018-10-28 19:57:04 UTC  

something such that they can't refrain from doing business with you just because they don't like your politics

2018-10-28 19:57:12 UTC  

There always was, is, and will be

2018-10-28 19:57:23 UTC  

It's more about making it relatively more difficult

2018-10-28 19:57:40 UTC  

In the limit, you could imagine crypto being outlawed

2018-10-28 19:58:04 UTC  

E.g. the ISP being required to report crypto traffic, or this being sufficient cause for a search

2018-10-28 19:58:42 UTC  

But at this point I think you're talking about a US that's far more totalitarian that it has ever been

2018-10-28 19:59:01 UTC  

So there might be more...pressing issues in such a world anyway