Message from @velvitonator

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2018-10-28 19:37:53 UTC  

i constantly receive messages from helpful people telling me about 7 ways to DESTROY toenail fungus

2018-10-28 19:38:34 UTC  

i'm trying to say that there are lots and lots (and *lots*) of unforeseen consequences to your approach.

2018-10-28 19:38:38 UTC  

If we allow them to ban people who are spamming, then we allow them to ban anyone they don't like.

2018-10-28 19:39:06 UTC  

whereas if we just try to boot companies in the dick for colluding to squash competitors, we don't have to upset the current balance.

2018-10-28 19:39:42 UTC  

Because what is the difference between someone standing outside trump tower repeating orange man bad and someone spamming that on social media?

2018-10-28 19:40:14 UTC  

spam is automated and outnumbers humans in volume.

2018-10-28 19:40:16 UTC  

Social media involve using someone else's resources to do your shouting

2018-10-28 19:40:41 UTC  

Okay, so then we agree Twitter can keep on doing what it is doing

2018-10-28 19:40:57 UTC  

I mean, who are we to force them to host someone they don't want?

2018-10-28 19:41:19 UTC  

Megaphones help boost speech too, should megaphone companies be forced to give them for free?

2018-10-28 19:41:40 UTC  

IMO the way forward is technological

2018-10-28 19:41:53 UTC  

Things like Minds that are by-design censorship-resistant

2018-10-28 19:42:10 UTC  

Or where even the platform holders can't see what's going on without user assistance

2018-10-28 19:42:14 UTC  

I would agree there

2018-10-28 19:42:30 UTC  

Although that has some way to go still

2018-10-28 19:43:00 UTC  

These things take time

2018-10-28 19:43:08 UTC  

I think patience is recommended here

2018-10-28 19:43:19 UTC  

Jumping the gun will likely only make things worse

2018-10-28 19:43:32 UTC  

it would be tolerable (if not ideal) for twitter to continue to censor people based on their political ideology if and only if the market were free and competitors were possible. so there are two solutions, each fraught with peril. one is to have some form of government regulation in twitter's behavior, the other is to force payment processors to work with alternatives like gab. without one of those two alternatives, we have to accept that the principle of free speech does not apply to the internet.

2018-10-28 19:44:01 UTC  

right now we have neither of these two scenarios.

2018-10-28 19:44:10 UTC  

I think both of those things is true, though

2018-10-28 19:44:16 UTC  

Anyone can make a social network

2018-10-28 19:44:27 UTC  

See: Gab, Minds, more small ones

2018-10-28 19:44:39 UTC  

What we need to figure out is a way around payment processors

2018-10-28 19:44:42 UTC  

Just because it doesn't displace all at once doesn't mean it's not competing with it

2018-10-28 19:44:49 UTC  

gab may not last the night.

2018-10-28 19:44:57 UTC  

We can get around thinks like ISPs, but that requires a community effort.

2018-10-28 19:45:15 UTC  

Tor/VPN?

2018-10-28 19:45:39 UTC  

Minds is a step. Cryptos might be a way to get around the problem. But they are still too unstable

2018-10-28 19:45:47 UTC  

still requires hosting infrastructure and payment processors

2018-10-28 19:46:02 UTC  

Really why are payment processors even needed? Because we are too lazy to write monthly checks.

2018-10-28 19:46:06 UTC  

gab is being booted from its second host within hours

2018-10-28 19:46:09 UTC  

I thought Minds had some internal crypto?

2018-10-28 19:46:10 UTC  

Or ship hard cash

2018-10-28 19:46:16 UTC  

I think minds does

2018-10-28 19:46:41 UTC  

No, payment processors mitigate risk and volume

2018-10-28 19:46:50 UTC  

Or maybe that is steemit

2018-10-28 19:46:54 UTC  

and currently its only sources of income are shopify and startengine, both of which are likely to be lost as they rely on the same payment processors through a middleman

2018-10-28 19:47:08 UTC  

TBH I'm not gonna shed any tears over gab

2018-10-28 19:47:11 UTC  

mind's internal crypto is a failure

2018-10-28 19:47:23 UTC  

But there's nothing that really prevents it from operating