Message from @Atkins

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2018-10-28 19:33:15 UTC  

There's already something like this and it's a problem

2018-10-28 19:33:26 UTC  

Then you sue the person, not the platform

2018-10-28 19:33:27 UTC  

yeah, but under your policy it would be protected.

2018-10-28 19:33:39 UTC  

No, the platform would be

2018-10-28 19:33:45 UTC  

If you want to remain e.g. kid-friendly, you have to buy into a whole lot of baggage

2018-10-28 19:33:47 UTC  

you can't sue someone for wanting to give you massive boners all night long

2018-10-28 19:34:13 UTC  

Then too bad, if it's lawful speech, it's allowed

2018-10-28 19:34:28 UTC  

It means that if you try _any_ kind of moderation, you're on the hook for all content

2018-10-28 19:34:33 UTC  

the end result of that chain of logic is /b/

2018-10-28 19:34:41 UTC  

which barely survives

2018-10-28 19:35:02 UTC  

Porn laws might make something like that unlawful speech without some kinds of protection

2018-10-28 19:35:07 UTC  

on the edge of bankruptcy and federal seizure

2018-10-28 19:35:28 UTC  

what porn laws?

2018-10-28 19:36:13 UTC  

Those that require porn sites to have the 18 and over check box

2018-10-28 19:36:42 UTC  

i've seen viagra and cialis commercials on TV.

2018-10-28 19:36:52 UTC  

perfectly family friendly

2018-10-28 19:36:55 UTC  

Okay, why can't they be on social media?

2018-10-28 19:37:24 UTC  

why indeed? we can have every second reply to every post be about big dick energy that'll make your woman swoon

2018-10-28 19:37:52 UTC  

We could. We could have bots. How do you prove an account is a bot?

2018-10-28 19:37:53 UTC  

i constantly receive messages from helpful people telling me about 7 ways to DESTROY toenail fungus

2018-10-28 19:38:34 UTC  

i'm trying to say that there are lots and lots (and *lots*) of unforeseen consequences to your approach.

2018-10-28 19:38:38 UTC  

If we allow them to ban people who are spamming, then we allow them to ban anyone they don't like.

2018-10-28 19:39:06 UTC  

whereas if we just try to boot companies in the dick for colluding to squash competitors, we don't have to upset the current balance.

2018-10-28 19:39:42 UTC  

Because what is the difference between someone standing outside trump tower repeating orange man bad and someone spamming that on social media?

2018-10-28 19:40:14 UTC  

spam is automated and outnumbers humans in volume.

2018-10-28 19:40:16 UTC  

Social media involve using someone else's resources to do your shouting

2018-10-28 19:40:41 UTC  

Okay, so then we agree Twitter can keep on doing what it is doing

2018-10-28 19:40:57 UTC  

I mean, who are we to force them to host someone they don't want?

2018-10-28 19:41:19 UTC  

Megaphones help boost speech too, should megaphone companies be forced to give them for free?

2018-10-28 19:41:40 UTC  

IMO the way forward is technological

2018-10-28 19:41:53 UTC  

Things like Minds that are by-design censorship-resistant

2018-10-28 19:42:10 UTC  

Or where even the platform holders can't see what's going on without user assistance

2018-10-28 19:42:14 UTC  

I would agree there

2018-10-28 19:42:30 UTC  

Although that has some way to go still

2018-10-28 19:43:00 UTC  

These things take time

2018-10-28 19:43:08 UTC  

I think patience is recommended here

2018-10-28 19:43:19 UTC  

Jumping the gun will likely only make things worse

2018-10-28 19:43:32 UTC  

it would be tolerable (if not ideal) for twitter to continue to censor people based on their political ideology if and only if the market were free and competitors were possible. so there are two solutions, each fraught with peril. one is to have some form of government regulation in twitter's behavior, the other is to force payment processors to work with alternatives like gab. without one of those two alternatives, we have to accept that the principle of free speech does not apply to the internet.

2018-10-28 19:44:01 UTC  

right now we have neither of these two scenarios.

2018-10-28 19:44:10 UTC  

I think both of those things is true, though

2018-10-28 19:44:16 UTC  

Anyone can make a social network