Message from @DrYuriMom

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2018-10-28 20:48:58 UTC  

So far, to the best of my knowledge, both new supreme court justices have a track record of maintaining to the rule of law as written and intended to the best of their understanding.

2018-10-28 20:49:06 UTC  

By any means, Obergefell would need to be directly challenged to be overturned.

2018-10-28 20:49:08 UTC  

I think it'll become permissible to discriminate and I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing (yes, I'm a traitor to my class for saying this)

2018-10-28 20:49:16 UTC  

It's much harder to challenge a law than to create one.

2018-10-28 20:49:18 UTC  

Compare and contrast that "Special Rights" demand from the CRTL-Left

2018-10-28 20:49:27 UTC  

Yeah, I agree, discrimination is becoming a serious problem in several facets of American life.

2018-10-28 20:49:39 UTC  

Like higher education. Or job hiring.

2018-10-28 20:49:54 UTC  

I'm fascinated to see someone who's sincerely distraught at Trump's election

2018-10-28 20:50:02 UTC  

It sounds like you really think they're out to get you

2018-10-28 20:50:03 UTC  

Actually, I'm talking about it from the right perspective.

2018-10-28 20:50:17 UTC  

What do you mean?

2018-10-28 20:50:23 UTC  

The right to not bake a cake for a GLBT or black person

2018-10-28 20:50:40 UTC  

The right to not hire someone on religious grounds

2018-10-28 20:50:59 UTC  

I see the potential for a lot more individual liberty to discriminate on religious grounds

2018-10-28 20:51:21 UTC  

I'm actually not against it on principle, but the execution may be scary

2018-10-28 20:51:38 UTC  

Those asshats that sued the baker in CO were asshats

2018-10-28 20:51:51 UTC  

Go somewhere else for your cake, nitwits

2018-10-28 20:51:56 UTC  

How's that going to be attacked? Do you really think the supreme court is going to overturn the civil rights act? I haven't heard any serious proposals to even consider something like that.

2018-10-28 20:52:24 UTC  

BUT, what happens if you are the only grocer in town? The owner of the only apartment complex?

2018-10-28 20:52:25 UTC  

The Religious grounds wouldn't fly in court nor would sexual orientation, despite what the CTRL-Left claims, but would they have sued a Muslim Bakery for not wanting to make a custom wedding cake for a same sex couple?

2018-10-28 20:52:38 UTC  

What happens when those people can deny service?

2018-10-28 20:53:05 UTC  

Well, the cake bakers showed there is a right to deny service to GLBT

2018-10-28 20:53:16 UTC  

"I don't serve Jews, get out of my hospital"? Yeah, that wouldn't be great.

2018-10-28 20:53:24 UTC  

So this is law that will be examined over the next 5ish year or longer

2018-10-28 20:53:38 UTC  

@DrYuriMom Yeah, we agree there. When there's only one option and the business won't provide a standard service, there's a potential for trouble.

The Masterpiece decision is extremely narrow, it only really applies to this specific instance.

2018-10-28 20:53:47 UTC  

@Bookworm , exactly what will be examined now

2018-10-28 20:54:24 UTC  

I know the Masterpiece decision is narrow, but that's because the court was divided. Now, well it'll be interesting.

2018-10-28 20:54:42 UTC  

It's why I'm 10th Amendment Cat

2018-10-28 20:54:43 UTC  

They denied special premium services. They offered basic services that are open to anyone (Buy a cake) but any store can say no to a custom job for any number of reasons

2018-10-28 20:55:01 UTC  

That's a step forward I could back

2018-10-28 20:55:07 UTC  

Let each state experiment within some basic groundrules

2018-10-28 20:55:08 UTC  

Leaving it to states or lower

2018-10-28 20:55:35 UTC  

Yeah, I think politics has become far to nationalized and it's driving the polarization.

2018-10-28 20:55:42 UTC  

Consitutionality seems basically lost at this point, though

2018-10-28 20:55:46 UTC  

It does.

2018-10-28 20:56:14 UTC  

And I never thought I'd see a serious challenge to the 1st in my lifetime. But I can say the academic left really does want a hate speech exemption.

2018-10-28 20:56:14 UTC  

Oberfell essentially takes the feds out of it. That was important. Everything else will be examining to what extent religious freedom can allow discrimination.

2018-10-28 20:56:36 UTC  

I think it'll go pretty far

2018-10-28 20:56:49 UTC  

? Oberfell prevents states from barring marriage licenses to LGBT couples.

2018-10-28 20:57:08 UTC  

I do not want any new limit on 1st Amendment

2018-10-28 20:57:13 UTC  

That's a pretty big example of federalizing as I can tell.