Message from @PerformedShelf
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One could actually argue that it isn't the USD that serves as the 'global reserve currency' any longer, but instead the SDR.
The dollar just happens to be the largest reserve percentage in the basket holding that composes the SDR.
Sci Fi isn't meant to be totally divorced from reality. Star Trek is basically "I think if it worked like this, these things would happen"
And then you get goofy shit along the way for fun
I thought we were talking monetary policy.
We were talking about money in star trek. It got a little more detailed
*I am dissapoint*.
I was challenging the notion that ST is socialist, since private property, personal possessions, wages etc exist even despite society being "post scarcity"
I was talking about Ferengi
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@MachoHamRandySandwich Sorry, but what you said was interesting
The difference is that with production costs basically hitting rock bottom people aren't worried about subsisting or accumulating material goods, except where scarcity is still present (excepting the Ferengi)
Picard explains it in the episode where they find the capsule with the 22nd Century frozen people as:
The economics of the future are somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the twenty-fourth century.
The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves...and the rest of humanity.
We need the unions to lobby for a ban on 3D printing and other replicator technologies
I wish future food making was like this https://youtu.be/w2v_lpwjKUw?t=141
They say that and then reference credits and currency repeatedly elsewhere
That's the "issue"
I dont recall any mentions of currency except by the Ferengi, if there were any I would presume DS9 would clarify the most
I think Gene Roddenberry was trying to convey a world where currency is no longer a thing, and that everyone has all their needs met by replicators and other stuff, and that social evolution has led to a ppoint where people give of their services for the sake of doing what it is they love
Right, a lot of those (if not all) were after Gene Rodenberry died I believe
There's TOS ones in there
There are indeed, I somehow missed those lol
Well, it's clear to me that was what he was trying to get at, only the most thorough and forward planning creator would have everything right in the offset
Like it mentions that Roddenberry emphatically pushed a no money rule, and yet
"Later that same year, Uhura was offered a tribble for ten credits by a bartender on Deep Space Station K-7, before receiving one gratis from Cyrano Jones. (TOS: "The Trouble with Tribbles")"
Yeah, I think thats probably just how his vision of what the universe would have been like changing over time
Since there are refences explicitly pointing out no currency, whereas these are in flavour text or metaphor moments
I guess I think in Gene Roddenberry's head at least that the Future was socialist
of Humanity at least
And then most of Star Trek was post-Roddenberry
Tbh I think it's just the result of multiple battling writers
This is the best I find that explains it
Jake said, "I'm Human, I don't have any money." Nog commented, "It's not my fault that your species decided to abandon currency-based economics in favor of some philosophy of self-enhancement." Jake answered, "Hey, watch it. There's nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity." Nog then replied, "What does that mean?" Jake responded, "It means... It means we don't need money!" Nog quickly pointed out, however, that Jake wouldn't be able to bid or borrow.
This is what I mean about battling writers though
>federation makes a bid on something
>the federation can't bid on things lol, #nomoney
I think the difference is between the individual and the Federation
remember the Federation has property rights
The individual has no money, but the Federation has assets of Gold and Latinum with which to trade diplomatically