hey, Discovery channel and History channel used to pretty good, so not all TV is brain rot

I'm not a conservative

now you have science channel

thats about it

Look at general

You seem like a classical liberal in training, but still

I posted my political compass test

damn slow mo

I'm a centrist

You're literally 2 notches left of me.

The test is also inherently flawed in a way as well

I mean nothing's perfect

Operating with principles often means suspending what you consider ideal in favor of what is right.

I'm opposed to abortion, for instance

Yes, principles are above what you want to do

But I also acknowledge that government shouldn't be in control of it.

Whether we can or can't

That's a massive right to sign away to government.

I'm heading out

Gonna go brain rot on netflix

It's far far FAR more important to address the cultural side of the question.

Later.

It'll be a while before I can really participate but first off, can we agree first that abortion should be permitted if the mother's life is in danger? I want to get that out of the way first because if we can't then I'm a murderer for purposes of discussion and that would certainly change my perspective on the debate.

My personal ethics permit me to perform abortion for ectopic pregnancy.

And I have done so.

i don't think it was ever really in question. And i don't think there was any argument about its legality. It was more around the moral side. Which for life threatening situations should be an easy call. Either 1 dies or they both die. The main focus was on at what point should a clump of cells be considered worth of full human rights

for once it is worthy of full human rights, then usually the right to life trumps most others (Within reason)

@DrYuriMom

First off, @DrYuriMom, I think that yes, there are matters of life or liberty which justify abortion.

Those being rape or a threat to the mother's life.

Those would be matters to be considered medical.

hmm, i wonder, in the case of rape where a female is the rapist, does that mean the male can choose to have it aborted?

In those cases the male should not be financially responsible for the kid...

obviously, the concept of financial abortion.

but technically, minus medical costs, a female could to

I've seen courts rule some fucked up rulings.

me too

but this is not about current settings

https://nypost.com/2017/07/23/man-ordered-to-pay-65k-in-child-support-for-kid-who-isnt-his/

but think about it: if you have something you consider life, when its one direction (male raping a female), we give the victim the option to kill it. But when going in the other direction (female raping a male) we don't.

It's still life.