Message from @Dvir

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2018-11-03 17:38:09 UTC  

Viet Cong

2018-11-03 17:38:11 UTC  

is there spam limit on texts?

2018-11-03 17:38:35 UTC  

Yes, you can't post within 1 second of your last post.

2018-11-03 17:39:16 UTC  

ah i see

2018-11-03 18:48:42 UTC  

I think the lines are being redrawn personally. I got a bad feeling the identity politics is here to stay and will likely become a centerpiece on the left. I also think economics is going to split, with the left becoming more pro-business and the right less capitalist.

2018-11-03 18:51:02 UTC  

What do you mean by less capitalist? I might be misunderstanding things, but I thought a system either is or isn't capitalist.

2018-11-03 18:59:44 UTC  

I guess he meant that economic nationalism is 'less capitalist'.

2018-11-03 19:09:09 UTC  

with the left becoming more pro-business and the right less capitalist.

wew there, that is hellaa fun assumption

2018-11-03 19:09:51 UTC  

Corporate Democrats are only one of the many disparate groups on the left at the moment.

2018-11-03 19:10:12 UTC  

dear lord

2018-11-03 19:10:15 UTC  

No question that the left has given up the working class for multinational corporate interests.

2018-11-03 19:10:50 UTC  

you need some lectures on economics lads, the state of the server is tragic

2018-11-03 19:11:40 UTC  

I'm sure most of us have heard lectures on that neolib pseudoscience.

2018-11-03 19:14:32 UTC  

there are around 7 directions in economics but i see you heard the neo-lib which is a sub set of one of the schools

2018-11-03 19:16:18 UTC  

Aren't they something like Mercantilist, Laisseze-Faire, State, Liberal, Protectionist, and Social?

2018-11-03 19:16:41 UTC  

^ now this is not a waste of time

2018-11-03 19:16:47 UTC  

yes

2018-11-03 19:16:58 UTC  

you forgot anarchy

2018-11-03 19:17:16 UTC  

I knew I was missing one but I didn't know what.

2018-11-03 19:17:24 UTC  

Made sense it was the most idiotic one.

2018-11-03 19:17:41 UTC  

At least in terms of being something you *want*

2018-11-03 19:17:42 UTC  

kek, its actually not, its people are not smart enough to live sucessfully under it

2018-11-03 19:17:53 UTC  

maybe in few hundred years

2018-11-03 19:18:32 UTC  

I don't know much about it

2018-11-03 19:18:40 UTC  

I kinda assumed from the name of it

2018-11-03 19:18:59 UTC  

its not bad, unless you want a world where smartest person has under 200IQ to use it

2018-11-03 19:19:22 UTC  

Is it cutthroat capitalism?

2018-11-03 19:19:24 UTC  

brb, need afk

2018-11-03 19:19:37 UTC  

nope its not cutthroat capitalism

2018-11-03 19:25:48 UTC  

Just looked it up and I think I get the idea of it. It is like the inverse of anarcho-syndicalism where instead of the dissolution of the state for the sake of the worker it is for the sake of the consumer. While anarcho-syndicalism values solidarity anarcho-capitalism values individuality.

2018-11-03 19:31:40 UTC  

yes those are not full anarchies, full anarchy is in next millenia if we dont kill ourselves

2018-11-03 19:35:46 UTC  

I think such a system could only come into fruition if the innate nature of humans is changed from technological advancements. Because humans are innately neither fully individualistic or fully interdependent, and for either of those two systems to occur human nature would need to be modified to accommodate them.

2018-11-03 19:38:29 UTC  

For anarcho-capitalism to occur the individual person would need to become a fully independent creature in order for it to succeed. That means they would never *need* to have to interact with other humans. Technically speaking, a very capable person could be able to do this like you mentioned earlier, but even then it is not really preferable to living socially.

2018-11-03 19:38:36 UTC  

that is why i said, not yet

2018-11-03 19:38:52 UTC  

But is it desirable? For me it isn't.

2018-11-03 19:39:52 UTC  

I think moving either too close to full interdependency or full independency would be destructive to human nature as we know it.

2018-11-03 19:39:59 UTC  

it doesnt matter if it is desirable, it will happen as part of evolution

2018-11-03 19:40:17 UTC  

So you believe it be inevitable progression?

2018-11-03 19:40:26 UTC  

yes of course

2018-11-03 19:40:53 UTC  

its not too soon

2018-11-03 19:40:54 UTC  

An anarcho-syndicalist or socialist would say the same thing just at the other end of the spectrum.