Message from @Atkins

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2018-11-06 02:18:03 UTC  

Of course, if we do augment the human mind it should not be wireless or linked to a server.

2018-11-06 02:18:33 UTC  

The most elegant solution that I've read was near the end of Bostrom's book. Something to the effect of leveraging the machine's intelligence to figure out what we (if we were as smart as it) would want to have as it's goals and value system.

2018-11-06 02:19:12 UTC  

No automatic updates of your system, and similar measures to prevent the potential for mass malware infection by ensuring that all data transmission to and from the brain are done through a wire.

2018-11-06 02:20:52 UTC  

There's too much to be gained by having a superintelligent machine. Someone will always defect and build it. Simply expecting everyone to refrain from doing so is an unstable equilibrium.

2018-11-06 02:20:53 UTC  

The production and consumption of cybernetics and augments should be done through nationalized businesses rather than private entepreises.

2018-11-06 02:21:24 UTC  

At the moment we have the potential to clone human beings, but we don't because it has been unanimously banned by the international community.

2018-11-06 02:21:40 UTC  

Pretty sure China is because they don't give a fuck.

2018-11-06 02:22:02 UTC  

nationalized business..has a business ever worked well or effciently once it has a nationalized monopoly?

2018-11-06 02:22:19 UTC  

China cloned the first primates earlier this year.

2018-11-06 02:23:06 UTC  

Not monopolies, I envision something similar to current weapon manufacturers, but more regulated.

2018-11-06 02:23:07 UTC  

International agreements aren't worth a damn when the payoff for defection is so great.

2018-11-06 02:23:42 UTC  

so, private manufacterers fulfilling lucrative government deals that already have to abide by every government regulation?

2018-11-06 02:24:39 UTC  

if cybernetics and transhumanism ever did become a issue within modern day (and it probably will within our life time dont get me wrong) i think we can all agree to something such as the FDA but for cybernetics

2018-11-06 02:25:37 UTC  

We'll probably have genetic manipulation before cybernetics.

2018-11-06 02:25:56 UTC  

well.."Effective" cybernetics

2018-11-06 02:26:04 UTC  

I disagree on the bases that I don't believe augments should be consumerized, the societal ramifications would be severe. It would become the ultimate technocratic plutocracy where those with the best augments are dominant.

2018-11-06 02:26:35 UTC  

Gene-Therapy should be handled in a similar manner.

2018-11-06 02:28:20 UTC  

if people can afford better augments, and a seller has a higher quality augment in which to sell, the transaction should be allowed. but like much tech, in a free market that tech will become less high quality and eventually drop in price to the point the majority of consumers may buy it

2018-11-06 02:28:28 UTC  

There would be pretty strong motivation to not consumerize genetic manipulation.

2018-11-06 02:29:20 UTC  

genetic manipulation is much more tricky, who can we trust to play with our genes? how much can we play with our genes until we are "playing god"?

2018-11-06 02:30:06 UTC  

Some rich motherfucker spends a billion to develop a Methuselah mod and lives forever. Compound interest working over a thousand lifetimes. So long as he's one of a tiny number of Methuselahs he'll have massive power. If everyone lives forever he's nothing. Money wasted.

2018-11-06 02:31:13 UTC  

Concept is explored in the takeshi kovacs books and in the commonwealth saga.

2018-11-06 02:31:26 UTC  

That's why America keeps an Anti-trust law in place (which I wish we used more often) as well as the fact there does need to be some regulation such as the ban on augments or manipulation to increase lifespan

2018-11-06 02:31:40 UTC  

Once you climb that ladder you have strong motivation to pull the ladder up after you.

2018-11-06 02:32:06 UTC  

If i'm a god why would I be incentivized to make others gods?

2018-11-06 02:32:20 UTC  

Did the Gods give man fire willingly, or did Prometheus have to steal it away for them?

2018-11-06 02:32:56 UTC  

There actually is a rather good "young adult" book that covers the type of world your explaining Atkins. I remember it's title being "scythe" where everyone lives forever, so a organization was created to "gleam" some people every year to decrease population

2018-11-06 02:33:54 UTC  

The human psyche wasn't made for immortality, people think they want to live forever but I wonder how they would feel when they are a hundred, or two hundred.

2018-11-06 02:34:15 UTC  

And again, that's why I believe in a not TOTAL lazie faire system for cybernetics or Gene manipulation, there needs to be regulation to some degree along with proactive use of anti-trust laws

2018-11-06 02:34:24 UTC  

I think everyone who lives long enough comes to the realization that they do not want to live forever.

2018-11-06 02:34:45 UTC  

It also goes into that to some degree along with the fact we gain much of our perception of "beauty" and emotion from our mortality

2018-11-06 02:35:26 UTC  

Humanity may not have been built for immortality but the more society progresses we alleviate the old hurdles with technology.

2018-11-06 02:36:14 UTC  

I could imagine if we do somehow achieve immortality that hibernation will become a thing. Where eventually people will just enter into a torpor only to be risen if direly needed for whatever reason.

2018-11-06 02:37:11 UTC  

Memery. Immortals would likely enter into a state of long-term memery. Shitposting online to fill the time of their immortal lives.

2018-11-06 02:38:01 UTC  

If we reach the point of immortality, assisted Suicide would have to be allowed for those who are simply don't living

2018-11-06 02:38:44 UTC  

As money becomes meaningless to the immortals, only knowledge of ancient arcane memes acts as a viable show of status

2018-11-06 02:38:57 UTC  

Why kill them? Just entomb them in stasis.

2018-11-06 02:39:08 UTC  

Social hierarchy reverts to a /b/ like state

2018-11-06 02:39:13 UTC  

The true meme economy arises

2018-11-06 02:40:03 UTC  

We can only hope to see an Immortal Meme Economy in our lifetimes.

2018-11-06 02:44:32 UTC  

No, I want my populist theodemocratic republic.