Or thought

One can find a cave based on percepts but to build shelter he must think

@Beemann

The people who unfocus their mind and dont think or produce are subhuman to add to that to produce one must be able to think

You don't require all that much beyond the basics to survive though. That's why many traditions last as long as they do- there's no need to change them. It wasn't necessarily to build a car, for instance, even though the impact of automobiles has been massive

@Beemann Except it improved the quality of life

Which we need to survive

Ultimately though rights must be restrictions placed on the larger social order for the sale of the individual

You don't need cars to survive

Well its more complicated

Either way it improves the quality of life

Sure, I'm just pointing out the difference between "necessary to survive" and "an improvement"

I would argue that personal, exclusive property is good, but it isn't necessary for survival

Trace back to the fundamentals and its more than just food water and shelter

It's not personal property or automobiles though

Man must produce to survive autmobiles help him with this and provide better quality of life overall

"Must"
No, not really
Man desires a better quality of living and so he strives

Even a subhuman man will die from him being led by to his own destruction by another man or him taking his life

@Beemann Would you say happiness is essential to life?

Hell, there are even maladaptive inventions

I would say satisfaction is essential

If you trace it back mans satisfaction comes from production

What is produced when a man climbs a mountain?

Even just basic survival

That feeling of adrenaline cant be maintained

The feeling of adrenaline isn't the only reward

Stuff like that is more complex knowledge because alot goes on

Maybe just achieving a goal is all it is but can it be consistent?

And yet it produces satisfaction, to the point where there are people who work only to fund expeditions

I dont know

But the person also to add had to use tools in most cases man created

This is, FYI, why people echo "life is suffering"

In what way?

Because it is in striving and overcoming that people find satisfaction

Whether by creation, conquest etc

Thats a false dichotomy

In what way?

As man doesnt produce anything

Actually im not totally sure

Happiness is the successful state of life, pain is an agent of death. Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one’s values. A morality that dares to tell you to find happiness in the renunciation of your happiness — to value the failure of your values — is an insolent negation of morality. A doctrine that gives you, as an ideal, the role of a sacrificial animal seeking slaughter on the altars of others, is giving you death as your standard. By the grace of reality and the nature of life, man — every man — is an end in himself, he exists for his own sake, and the achievement of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose

But neither life nor happiness can be achieved by the pursuit of irrational whims. Just as man is free to attempt to survive in any random manner, but will perish unless he lives as his nature requires, so he is free to seek his happiness in any mindless fraud, but the torture of frustration is all he will find, unless he seeks the happiness proper to man. The purpose of morality is to teach you, not to suffer and die, but to enjoy yourself and live.