Message from @Existence is identity
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I would say satisfaction is essential
If you trace it back mans satisfaction comes from production
What is produced when a man climbs a mountain?
Even just basic survival
That feeling of adrenaline cant be maintained
The feeling of adrenaline isn't the only reward
Stuff like that is more complex knowledge because alot goes on
Maybe just achieving a goal is all it is but can it be consistent?
And yet it produces satisfaction, to the point where there are people who work only to fund expeditions
I dont know
But the person also to add had to use tools in most cases man created
This is, FYI, why people echo "life is suffering"
In what way?
Because it is in striving and overcoming that people find satisfaction
Whether by creation, conquest etc
Thats a false dichotomy
In what way?
As man doesnt produce anything
Actually im not totally sure
Happiness is the successful state of life, pain is an agent of death. Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one’s values. A morality that dares to tell you to find happiness in the renunciation of your happiness — to value the failure of your values — is an insolent negation of morality. A doctrine that gives you, as an ideal, the role of a sacrificial animal seeking slaughter on the altars of others, is giving you death as your standard. By the grace of reality and the nature of life, man — every man — is an end in himself, he exists for his own sake, and the achievement of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose
But neither life nor happiness can be achieved by the pursuit of irrational whims. Just as man is free to attempt to survive in any random manner, but will perish unless he lives as his nature requires, so he is free to seek his happiness in any mindless fraud, but the torture of frustration is all he will find, unless he seeks the happiness proper to man. The purpose of morality is to teach you, not to suffer and die, but to enjoy yourself and live.
Could mountain climbing be a irrational whim maybe?
But I guess it more of a personal level so im not sure
One can be happy in the society of A Brave New World
Not if it doesnt correspond with his values
And if it does? Is it then the highest good?
No because life is the ultimate standard
Everyone lives. Crime is low, food is taken care of
Okay well now man pursues his happiness
That is the moral thing to do
How he achieves it is through values which are the means
This is, fwiw, one reason why Rand is forced into an objective standard of morality, because otherwise the content automaton achieves her goal
What do you mean?
If your only goal is achievement of your own values then your values have to be sufficiently aspirational. Nietzsche does a similar thing
Like maybe I find true happiness in working at McDonalds and using the money to buy anime figurines. This isn't especially hard to achieve and will inevitably lead to stagnation if done en masse
Sure
I dont know if this can be defined as a actual value but it will lead to stagnation
Well you could value privacy, nonintervention and social seclusion
Or maybe the way in which you fight for higher values is to remove your contribution from society
A sort of NEET Galt