"as a society we look down on murder"

yes, this is why we try so very very hard to change what constitutes murder. Because at the end of the day, we really really really like killing things.

its like to say "all women are evil" is a hate crime but "all men are evil" is just good morals....

Bitches be crazy, it is known.

The problem with morality is who gets to define something so absolute? Which morality do we use? Muslim? Shinto? Confucian?

Some elements are the same but many are different

For murder? It's basic societal survival

The absolute baseline shit is required for people to cooperate at all

Not exactly. If they are an apostate? Christian and Muslim morality has generally permitted killing apostates.

The Inquisition was all about killing apostates

Right and can you cooperate with apostates? No

You undo the social fabric

Jews who were forcably converted and who don't become "pure christians"

Great morality

I would suggest that the efficacy of a moral system is proven by its results

Historically untrue, Cat.

I don't think those were the best results, and they probably weren't considering how successful we've been since bailing on that system

The Inquisition, in reference to the Spanish Inquisition of the 15th and early 16th centuries, was a religious/political movement to consolidate royal Spanish power and seize capital assets.

Religion was a secondary concern and at least as much excuse as reason.

As can be seen by the large majority of sentences being confiscation of property.

I think the primary concern might be "why did they get away with it?"

I didn't say Spanish on purpose

Which Inquisition are you referring to, then?

The Inquisition was a papal office

Still is

Just a different name

The papal inquisition was far more anemic and soft-handed institution than the Spanish Inquisition.

Even with a much longer runtime, their investigations, convictions and sentences are all fewer.

True, but that's still the application of morality

Yes, as most laws are.

Which is the point

Yes, we need to apply moral laws accurately and appropriately.

But US laws don't necessarily derive from a belief structure

All laws derive from a belief structure.

"This should be like this, therefore this law."

The discussion above that I am referring to suggested divine morality rather than social. That makes me nervous because the US cannot institute a state religion.

It absolutely can. You may just wish it does not.

Um, First Amendment absolutely forbids establishment of a state religion

Which can be removed or amended, as with all American laws, by proper democratic action.

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You do realize it is people who seriously talk like this that keeps the Democratic Party as strong as it is despite thier crazy left edge?

I'm sorry the truth pushes people to associate with a bad crowd.