Not a general debate.

you clearly said "I'd rather deal with a left-leaning stance as opposed to a nihilistic stance."

https://mises.org/library/children-and-rights

I already know your answer to the question, though.

```"In the libertarian society, then, the mother would have the absolute right to her own body and therefore to perform an abortion; and would have the trustee-ownership of her children, an ownership limited only by the illegality of aggressing against their persons and by their absolute right to run away or to leave home at any time. Parents would be able to sell their trustee-rights in children to anyone who wished to buy them at any mutually agreed price."
-Rothbard.```

Right. This one may yet challenge your perspective, half

One sec though, got a delivery...

dildos, i bet.

didlo's and pizza

dildo pizza

italian sausage

dildo's, pizza and a didlo pizza

@RyeNorth, I'm ethically pro choice and morally pro life. That's required me to square a few circles. In the end I can argue for abortion in the first trimester although I won't do one after implantation unless the mother's life is in danger.

I think your answer would be predictably in favor of the embryo in my hypothetical... I'll be sure to tag you when I post it... I think I'm going to have to wait until I'm off work. Just got loaded down.

kk. I have work today anyway so likely won't be very talkative until about 6pm PST.

Is there any other species on the planet that would abort its offspring?

There are millions of r-selected species which abandon their offspring.

"Abort"

I now they abandon, specially if there's a treat.

Some even eat them.

Some animals can reabsorb the fetus if put under too much stress. Effectively an abortion.

Actually, that's more like a miscarriage.

ok, I see.

So, it's reasonable to state that "only humans abort their offsprings willingly"?

Well, it's hard for non-sapient creatures to do anything willingly.

We have an N of 1 and we say in science.

Only humans do anything willingly.

Depends on your definition of "willingly". You can argue they don't have a choice in which to willingly choose. Most animals procreate in what seems to use as borderline rape and then they have no meaningful way to abort.

it's within reason to state so?

my definition of willingly most certainly is your definition.

Pretty sure horses will abort their offspring if the mare doesent deem it worthy

But I dont think we should be comparing ourselves to animals. Were much, much different than them

are we?

you sure about that?

I know the whole 'were stupid and dumb like a bunch of animals' meme but if you look at our knowledge, governments, achievements etc. Its kind of crazy to think were the same as any other animal group

Fuck can you tell me if wolves, monkeys etc. Worked together to land on the moon?

No, that was humans uniqueness and knowledge

we have opposable thumbs and needed to established a lot of this in order to survive.

plenty of other creatures have complex social groups, in the form of our government. And there are other creatures that demonstrate levels of problem solving nearly on par with humans.

Im hardly saying were stronger or faster than animals, were just much more smarter and industrious

So you can we are much different but really the only difference is we got thumbs. Imagine if dolphins had thumbs. Japan wouldn't be here.