Message from @devpav

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2018-12-11 14:25:27 UTC  

Japan already has a trade surplus. It isn't falling for the free trade scam.

2018-12-11 14:33:40 UTC  

Yes, Japan suffers disproportionately from an absence of free trade.

2018-12-11 14:34:15 UTC  

Thier cost of living is inflated and thier quality of life suffers

2018-12-11 14:34:26 UTC  

Thier young people suffer the most

2018-12-11 14:39:59 UTC  

Nothing to do with free trade.

2018-12-11 15:07:01 UTC  

The fact that their prices are ridiculously high has everything to do with free trade. Apples, rice, etc are all tarrifed to death so Japanese pay a lot more for their food than they should if they traded freely.

2018-12-11 15:13:42 UTC  

And?

2018-12-11 15:15:16 UTC  

'Goods prices are all that matter' is the free trade scammer's favorite misleading premise/talking point.

2018-12-11 15:21:16 UTC  

>goods prices have nothing to do with cost of living
🤔

2018-12-11 15:22:15 UTC  

Not nothing, and not everything.

2018-12-11 15:33:38 UTC  

literally everything by definition

2018-12-11 15:35:56 UTC  

Prices are just one component of cost of living. The other is income.

2018-12-11 15:36:20 UTC  

which is another price

2018-12-11 15:37:28 UTC  

Your problem is that we don't have a free market in money.

2018-12-11 15:37:38 UTC  

We don't have a free market in anything.

2018-12-11 15:37:52 UTC  

That is the most important one.

2018-12-11 15:38:20 UTC  

If that is granted, all else follows.

2018-12-11 15:39:02 UTC  

You can blame the ECB for the uprising in france more than macron.

2018-12-11 15:54:40 UTC  

If it doesn't have "nothing to do with free trade", why would you say it did, verbatim, in a discussion about cost of living?

2018-12-11 15:57:13 UTC  

The social problems usually claimed about Japan are not due to trade.

2018-12-11 15:59:37 UTC  

That's not what was being discussed, for starters. Second it could easily be argued that high cost of living contributes to social issues

2018-12-11 16:02:11 UTC  

And so-called free trade contributes to social issues.

2018-12-11 16:03:11 UTC  

The free trade you admitted doesn't exist contributes to social issues?

2018-12-11 16:03:44 UTC  

That was a statement about free trade in general.

2018-12-11 16:04:14 UTC  

Okay, so where's the social-issue-causing free trade?

2018-12-11 16:06:08 UTC  

The decline of domestic production is rather obviously social-issue-causing.

2018-12-11 16:06:27 UTC  

misallocations of resources causes the boom bust cycle, so it seems logical to regulate markets, but credit expansions are what causes misallocations of resources, so the correct solution is the opposite of what seems intuitive.

2018-12-11 16:07:00 UTC  

Reading Mises is a misallocation of resources.

2018-12-11 16:07:08 UTC  

lol. kill yourself

2018-12-11 16:07:14 UTC  

Only if people refuse to adapt to the market. Further the consolidation of power in the hands of corporations (a government defined entity, need I remind you) and high cost anti competitive practices is anything but free trade

2018-12-11 16:09:56 UTC  

If the market isn't free then there's no reason for us to adapt to it.

2018-12-11 16:10:44 UTC  

Anything other than perfect competition is socialism. Reeeeeeeeeeeeee

2018-12-11 16:15:16 UTC  

🤔
>there's no need to adapt to conditions if they aren't market driven
>but this one segment of this larger system is "free trade", so free trade is the cause of social ills

2018-12-11 16:17:56 UTC  

The 'free trade' regime we have is the cause of social ills. Whether the current regime truly represents the ideology is beside the point.

2018-12-11 16:18:44 UTC  

Wot
>discussing a concept
>it doesn't matter if X actually matches that concept
🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

2018-12-11 16:18:55 UTC  

There may be a self-preserving rational argument for adapting to non-free market conditions, but there's no economic argument.

2018-12-11 16:19:51 UTC  

The real social ills are caused by the attempt to realize the free trade concept. It's like the socialists constantly chasing 'real socialism'.

2018-12-11 16:21:58 UTC  

?????
>government mandated and regulated pursuit of profit growth is pursuit of a free market

2018-12-11 16:22:17 UTC  

I guess socialism is now the free market too. Everything is free market

2018-12-11 16:22:26 UTC  

Free market achieved