well yeah, lying is just human nature unfortunately

there are not many wars in which the nations involved did not get involved because of lies to their populations

the public, generally, HATES war. without their support, you are not likely to win

well that should go without saying..

and, you need the enemy to think you are doing something you are not

people are want to hear things that make them happy, more than they want the truth

its not what people want to hear, its what will make them fearful

happy people don't want war.

fearful people want someone to make the big bad monster go away

they will put themselves in cages to do it

and that's why they are so desperate for anything that is spun to their warped worldview

look how many want war in syria now that trump is pulling out. they are totally out of it

humans are not rational, it's not about good or bad. just how it is

fear: "they will all be genocided!"

you gotta spin in the positive too for full effect, you want them hungry after the sample 😉

as a socialist, i prefer them hungry for food

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/campaigns/corp-taxes-and-federal-budget/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/08/rich-people-rule/?utm_term=.9fbef9ad3de1
https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

Aoc didnt win anything

She got like .005% of her district to vote for her in a primary and since democrats are lemmings on welfare paid to vote she won

And the media loves her...

...for now

The media loved hillary

Glad shes in the whitehouse

Oh wait....

hehe, yeah ^^

The right memed her too

I think time just wants people to stop meming her cuz she shows where left leaning ideas end up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80

this or our current national anthem

@Unwound How many want war in Syria at the moment?

66'

No one wants war. But now that we created this mess, a vacuum looks even worse than some variation on the current measured course.

We should never have invaded Iraq in 2003.

But we did.

That is not true.
There are some people that want war.

John McCain was one of them.

Ben Shapiro is another one of those

Good point. The reason we're in this mess is because a bipartisan, multinational coalition wanted it in 2003. :-/

Let me rephrase what I meant to say. No one *here* that has made their opinions known wants war.

I feel a mixture of things on this, but ultimately I lean towards no. Errantry wars in the rest of the world DO keep the military sharp... but if nothing else, we have to much to handle at home ATM.

War is bad, it gets people killed, costs astronomical sums of money, and usually makes things far worse before they get better, but it should always be on the table and should only be used when all other diplomatic options have been exhausted