Okay, so read that series. It talks alot about it.

Second, I'm saying it comes down to things like networking.
And we need that discussion. We need to talk about *actionable options* that can be undertaken individually or as a group to shift the battle lines towards neutrality or advantage.

I actually had a plan. This was my plan:

1) "we need to talk about what we will do about this. It's important to organize *something*"
2) See what people think are options.
3) Try and build the network.
4) If we can find something actionable, do it.

Here's some options I had in mind:
Letter writing congresscritters to actually regulate the banking system like they're supposed to (the original BoA boycott on the gun industry was illegal. They haven't been hit at all as I understand. And guess what happened when BoA got away? Chase joined in.
Start withdrawing funds from Chase

But you know what's better than one letter? 100 letters.
Of course, you can do all of the above. "diversity of tactics" as the left calls it. As long as the diversity doesn't cross clear ethical lines...

The problem is that we got stuck arguing over things like the role of government and "I don't want to be like the left" at step 1. So I shifted to "convince people we need to do *something* and moving as a group is more effective than just doing it individually and far better than just sitting around whining about it."

Sorry this took so long to type. I'm slightly busy at the moment, but this is a conversation that needs to happen.

Also, *any* organization is better than no organization. Imagine if the Grange decided that if BoA wouldn't sell to the firearms industry, then the Grange wouldn't sell to employees of BoA. There would be a riot and this "boycott people from buying products because we don't like them" would come to an end pretty darn quick. (I am not endorsing a food withhold--yet. That's pretty damn close to the "shoot everything that moves" level of civil war)

Thats where society is headed

Sellers will soon have a right to deny products/services based on political views

at that point the cities will very quickly realize which goods are imported and which are homegrown

Well, then it makes sense to have the infrastructure there before you're being locked out of the banking system. Am I not correct?

You cannot lose by alteast having some organization. Unless your plan is unconditional surrender. And considering how forgiving the left seems to be, and how ruthless they are in finding and punishing dissent, that would be a hell of a surrender.

So let's quit waffling around and *do something*

Even if that *something* is finding who your allies are.

And before people think I'm trying to escalate the "civil war" I'd argue the faster we can retaliate to where these tactics become too painful, the faster the civil war will de-escalate.

The longer we sit, the more creative the left is going to get at punishing whomever is it's enemy or fails to shift left fast enough.

Also, while you might imagine "sellers" having the right, it need not be symmetric.

pffft

expecting rights to be symmetric at this point is a right wing opinion

1) Not helping.
2) Well, then you'd best start fighting. Because then the far left does not intend to play fair and won't stop until it has *everything it could ever dream of*

How about this. Next time people are here griping about the latest dirty play by the left and I'm not around, can you argue my point about the need to organize and do something? That would be the least anyone here could do.

Also, when discussing things, there's more to do than just play dirty tricks. We need a new ACLU for example, or to find a way to push the ACLU back towards free speech absolutism.

And then when someone *makes* said ACLU, we need ways to contribute funds. Both openly (for those in more free-speech absolutist environments) and secretly (for those deep in "enemy territory")

And then passing around organizations that do good things is also good.

Finally, libertarians need to actually live up to volunteerism and support their organizations at a level like the left. I walk around and see lots of SPLC stickers on every car. I rarely see anything non-left, even when I'm in very Republican parts of Upstate.

Everything helps a bit, but mostly, we need ways to defend people in these institutions who simply want to keep things implemented fairly or keeping the institutions neutral.

Don't just "keep your head down" find ways to network with the people who think as you do, atleast in part.

Also, can we drop the pointless purity spirals about any time "government" gets mentioned, it's automatically bad, even before someone has stated what they want. I'd swear you can't even argue for a way to take decision power out of bureaucrat's hands if you say the word "government"

Yes, this is a generally right or left libertarian space. But reflexive jerks and refusal to consider *any* solution so we can circle jerk about how terrible the government is supposed to be is just like the far left going increasingly off the rails to try and "protect the marginalized."

But because we're "better" we won't even consider that a possibility and just go further and further until everyone *has* to be some kind of ancom or ancap. It's stupid.

@Blackhawk342 @Grenade123 @Trancezustand any obejections to me copying this conversation onto minds and possibly linking it elsewhere? If so, should I anonymize anyone. It would go: https://www.minds.com/groups/profile/870780462511611904/feed

I'd also probably link the conversation onto a related couple discords.

go for it

UN, ISO, WTO, SCO, NATO, Trade blocs and other intergovernmental agreements; International central banking financial institutions like the BIS and the FSB and their roles in global economic policies. 4GW 4th gen warfare and the pros and cons of tech warfare and the current proxy wars. SLOC sea lines of communication and containerization seaport trade. Multipolar world debates, his opinions on meetings like Davos and the G20. Intelligence organization groups like 5 eyes and what should intelligence agencies role be in todays information age. Multinational corporations and their regulation, Global black markets, Internet regulation, World Nuclear policies, Private Military Companies, Global resource management systems, UN security Council reform. International mining contentions and globalization in general. Washington vs Beijing consensus, that kinda shit. Just his overall current state of the world and his opinions on the GFS.

yea just add that lol

Dont bother anonymizing me, I take the space marine approach to camouflage

No one here is trying to be an ancap, they're just looking for a middle path where they can fight the culture war without turning into their enemy

Agreed, but if you refuse to ever consider government anything, you'll eventually end up as either ancap or ancom for logical consistency. And neither of those work in practice. This is one of our strengths, as long as there's ideological diversity free speech and psychological safety, someone within the group should be (hopefully) able to raise alarms before things go out of hand. Becoming the hedgemonic, authoritarian far-left should never be the goal, though their tactics clearly work and have worked so some adoption of their tools and techniques is necessary.

I'll post whenver @Grenade123 gets back to me. Also, if anyone wants to join the group, it was intended to serve as a "memory" of important or valuable conversations on this discord.

Actually, as I mentioned, Trancezustand, things will get very interesting if The Proud Boys become dependent on the Chinese or Russian financial system. And Russia and China would be fools not to consider it. The contradictions involved would be...interesting. But if there's any rule of realpolitic, it's that contradictions can survive so long as there is shared interest between parties.

The Russia collusion conspiracy might become real. Not because it was real to begin with (i.e. Trump colluded), but because it becomes a literal survival necessity for some Trump supporters.

And if the US tried to blacklist the Chinese or Russian financial systems in entirety...that would get bloody.

#kickvic or #istandwithvic personally #istandwithvic because its probably all overblown and misunderstood and the comments man

https://twitter.com/marchimark/status/1094447028929728512?s=17

i like the show me the evidence thomas sowell

vic reffering to the broly voice actor right?

anime is going to be gamergate 2.0 for real

and anime "journos" might take over the industry like they did the gaming world

Already are