By any means, if you don't have challenge, you will tend to stagnation.

Well we don't spend the whole day relaxing, do we? Most people get depressed living like that. So they get jobs, work to be productive, then come home to the virtual world. Happiness from the challenge, happiness from the recreational break, and the world order is happy too because they don't have to worry about people rising up against them en masse.

I mean, if you only ever follow what you want to hear you'll probably never have to overcome challenges and do anything new. And that applies to society as well.
Most people work because they have to if they want to eat.

I think they get a sense of meaning and responsibility from it too. And society will always find new challenges to overcome. Maybe quietly cull the population and replace them with clones of the best workers so they can control people enough to combat climate change and move out into the stars. Whatever works, so long as you minimize infighting among the species.

Now this is getting outright dystopian.

If you had a choice between playing games all day, debating on the internet all day or pulling weeds, which would you pick?

I'd roll a die to make an arbitrary choice, then extract as much meaning as possible from my daily activity.

Pulling weeds? Oookay.

I think most of us would pick the 1st. The 2nd would be 2nd most popular and doesn't really work well under your utopian vision. The 3rd is what you would *need to do* to keep people fed.

I like a little manual labor. Video games and the Internet give me headaches.

You know sure Nancy Pelosi's tweets about Jussie Smollett presuming his innocence may be bad optics but I feel that she shouldn't be criticized for assuming innocence

Hol' up, fren. You're being reasonable.

If she was assuming innocence, she wouldn't have believed him in the first place.

anyone here know about gangstalking?

I know that the fbi is the ultimate gangstalker. Im suprised people who get upset over gang stalking arent protesting outside of google and facebook

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/02/u-n-proposes-initiative-to-ban-loli-shota-and-underage-drawings-and-cartoons/77229/ Okay, I can understand banning child porn, but to include drawings and cartoons into the mix does intrude on people’s freedom of speech. Besides the kids in these kinds of drawings and cartoons are fictional characters, FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.

Id ban it just cause its degenerate. But its based on feeling and not logic.

No, I'd say it's based pretty firmly on logic.

How so? To me its depicting rape and should be banned.

Simple, the desire to engage in sex with prepuscent children is fundamentally disordered, so allowing the production of material for the purpose of sating that desire causes and worsens moral failing within the society.

That can be said about alot of things. Like violence in video games

Also i dont wanna be on this side od the debate lol i wanna ban it

I do not view violence or its encouragement as fundamentally disordered.

Youlls need proof that loli leads to child abuse. I had someone tell me once that people with child predator history had a good chance of having loli/shota but i never got a citation

Okay? I don't believe that I need that proof. I've already explained that, even without directly physically harming people, the proliferation of the material harms both the person producing it and the person supplying it.

Thats in the case of actual porn. Why dont you need proof?

Look, the desire to have sex with prepubescent children is disordered, we agree on this, right?

Disordered in what sense? What order is it disrupting?

People commonly have desires that could not be acted upon legally, but it doesn't inherently cause disorder just to have the desire.

Thats why we need a study into it. See how many sex offenders have that stuff in their hard drive

There's actually an interesting article which suggests pedophilic consumers of virtual child porn are less likely to make physical contact: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RLDqjHJH0q_a6Mg_nFS0jzAT6uX80IWH/view?usp=drivesdk

Had to download the PDF because Google wouldn't let me link it.

There may need to be more research though. This was just from a preliminary search on how virtual child porn is used to groom children. I was trying to find evidence in favor of making the material illegal.

there is alot of problems with the few studies that are around with not having a large enough sample size.

we do have things like people who were assaulted when they were younger are also likely to also minors and that lgbt ppl make up a good amount of offenders despite being 2% of the population.

I don't consider loli, child porn because it's not actual children, it's a cartoon and so it doesn't have an actual age, there are tons of anime that have characters that look young but are actually centuries old in the anime.

you can't really give them an age other than what the creator says they are

its complicated. definetly degenerate tho

the opposite is also true, Sailor Moon looks like a high school student but is actually 12, I agree it's degenerate but that's not a good enough reason to ban it

I think the issue wouldn't be that it's actual children, just that loli porn could be used by pedophiles to groom children or that people viewing it could develop a paraphilic disorder in desiring an appearance only present in children.

well child grooming is already illegal, along with distributing porn to minors

I don't think it should be classified as child porn which makes it illegal to just posses it

we need data. for now though just dont make loli shota socially acceptable. we might get studies now that its an issue

it's not socially acceptable, that's why it's degenerate, just like furries, but they're still allowed to exist