you are needlessly throwing away information

@I AM ERROR, i don't mind that methodology, but they still have to be able to leave the survey after finding out what it is

sure

@ping I haven't looked nearly closely enough to know what the effects of their filters were'

but they shouldn't be able to sign up BECAUSE of the topic

@I AM ERROR, agreed, that is a flaw in the survey. It's far from disqualifying, but its a problem

see, i can see flaws without working in the field myself 😉 if it's disqualifying... to me it is in this instance but that depends on the topic really...

@I AM ERROR, I never said you couldn't criticize the study. You can and should do that with all information presented to you

@I AM ERROR, you should be less certain of your critiques

Its hard to say what the effects of that were and its unfair to just disregard the study. Here is the thing. If you issue a survey at a college with 20k people

And get 2k responses

And 20% of them are affirmative

i'm never certain of any of my critiques because i never assume that i have all the needed information

Then you know for sure

that 20% of 2k people

reported sexual violence

('were raped seems strong)

And so you know a minimum rate for the campus (the absurd case in which every victim responded)

maybe i'm blind... is there a list with the exact questions asked and qualifiers if necessary?

idk let me see

3.1.3 and 3.2.2 should be of interest to you

and 6.2 and 6.3 perhaps

afaik there is no posting of the survey

How about they just don't go out and get drunk around a bunch of guys they don't know?
Any personal responsibility there?

Going out and getting drunk is a choice.

With a consequence all of society knows about.

being drunk? puking?

@JadenFrostwolf Yes people should consider that this stuff happens and should temper the actions accordingly, that doesn't excuse rape.

Oh come on, I don't think *anyone* says what I just did to "excuse" rape, and to try to say that I was doing so is disingenuous.

"None of the five measures of substance use since entering college were statistically
associated with being a victim of forced sexual assault during college."

hard to believe, but it's there

@JadenFrostwolf Sounds a lot like that since no one was having a conversation about rape prevention and you chimed in with what sounds like victim blaming

how would i know the accuracy of the study if i don't know the survey questions?

Not victim blaming, just people being responsible.

"the large majority of victims of sexual assault are victimized by men they know and
trust, rather than strangers. " <- from the study

yeah the most significant factor was being in a relationship with some form of physical/verbal/mental abuser

True, I shouldn't have said 'they don't know' because I remember learning about that in class, but my point about being weary still stands.

so... back to prohibition?

Yeah, *totally* what I'm advocating...

@JadenFrostwolf I guess what i mean is it sounds like you are saying that women should accept rape as a fact of life. Idk how i feel about a statement like that. It is a fact of life but we definitely shouldn't accept it

I think the reason that the "take responsibility" argument exists and is so controversial is partly due to the fact that going and getting drunk is NOT significant in the sexual assault increases occurring on college campuses