Message from @Billcat

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2019-04-15 05:04:05 UTC  

There were more reasons than just Lincoln for the border states not succeeding

2019-04-15 05:04:12 UTC  

>than just lincoln

2019-04-15 05:04:14 UTC  

wtf

2019-04-15 05:04:21 UTC  

There were literally secession movements starting in the border states

2019-04-15 05:04:33 UTC  

had lincoln not announced he was gonna hang every seceders by the noose

2019-04-15 05:04:41 UTC  

Those border states would have divided

2019-04-15 05:04:45 UTC  

and we would have more than just west virginia

2019-04-15 05:04:49 UTC  

south kentucky north kentucky

2019-04-15 05:05:00 UTC  

All of these would have driven the American Civil War to a longer war

2019-04-15 05:05:25 UTC  

Yes but they were not as widely supported as in the South, it's that simple. Perhaps Lincoln put the nail in the coffin but his threats didn't exactly stop other states from succeeding

2019-04-15 05:05:45 UTC  

Because for those southern states they already hated lincoln to the gut

2019-04-15 05:05:53 UTC  

they knew slavery was going to be abolished one way or another

2019-04-15 05:06:01 UTC  

the border states were hoping that lincoln delivered on his promise

2019-04-15 05:06:08 UTC  

"that he wont touch slavery in already-established states"

2019-04-15 05:06:24 UTC  

and Lincoln did deliver that promise all the way until after the Civil War

2019-04-15 05:07:00 UTC  

But to stay on topic

2019-04-15 05:07:03 UTC  

for a state to even secede

2019-04-15 05:07:09 UTC  

they have to be financially independent of the federal government

2019-04-15 05:07:16 UTC  

to prove that they dont need the father anymore

2019-04-15 05:07:30 UTC  

and even attempting to reject one block grant leads to the federal government being wary of them

2019-04-15 05:07:55 UTC  

They have to be not only financially dependent but capable of providing external defense and everything else involved in being an independent country

2019-04-15 05:08:08 UTC  

which states already do

2019-04-15 05:08:09 UTC  

lmao

2019-04-15 05:08:20 UTC  

Every state is technically a country

2019-04-15 05:08:28 UTC  

their national guard is essentially the state militia and their army

2019-04-15 05:08:36 UTC  

But all they need

2019-04-15 05:08:39 UTC  

is the money

2019-04-15 05:08:40 UTC  

$$$

2019-04-15 05:08:54 UTC  

From a state's point of view, if they wish to just manage internal affairs, why would they pursue independence for incredible added responsibility?

2019-04-15 05:09:05 UTC  

And no, a state within the USA is nowhere near an independent country

2019-04-15 05:09:12 UTC  

>California

2019-04-15 05:09:13 UTC  

>Texas

2019-04-15 05:09:15 UTC  

>Florida

2019-04-15 05:09:42 UTC  

California is probably the best example

2019-04-15 05:09:54 UTC  

since their GDP power is stronger than some of the European nations in the EU

2019-04-15 05:10:04 UTC  

Not really. States cannot manage treaties, for example. There are a ton of restrictions on what states can and cannot do

2019-04-15 05:10:14 UTC  

States cannot manage treaties

2019-04-15 05:10:19 UTC  

but when has the federal government actually manage treaties

2019-04-15 05:10:20 UTC  

lol

2019-04-15 05:10:28 UTC  

The new buzz word is called "agreements"

2019-04-15 05:10:30 UTC  

or "protocols"