Message from @Green Syndicalism

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2019-05-28 00:26:33 UTC  

top ten secret socialists

2019-05-28 00:26:34 UTC  

wont tell u

2019-05-28 00:26:54 UTC  

If you know how to govern, you can have a government that function regardless of status

2019-05-28 00:26:57 UTC  

capitalism, communism, fascism

2019-05-28 00:26:59 UTC  

w/e you want

2019-05-28 05:41:43 UTC  

@Gerry aight ill give it a crack

2019-05-28 05:41:55 UTC  

democratic socialism is non-revolutionary in nature

2019-05-28 05:42:35 UTC  

but you have the entire history of the media and almost all public and private institutions against socialism

2019-05-28 05:42:49 UTC  

which means most of the population is brainwashed into thinking socialism is evil/bad/doesnt work

2019-05-28 05:43:54 UTC  

so if everyone is brainwashed to think its bad and the institutions in place keep it that way, but DemSoc is non-revolutionary in nature, how will it ever be elected into majority power?

2019-05-28 05:44:15 UTC  

(i dont think it can be)

2019-05-28 05:44:32 UTC  

so if you want a DemSoc economy, you'll need to have a revolution

2019-05-28 05:44:46 UTC  

which is fundamentally not democratic socialism

2019-05-28 05:45:30 UTC  

does this mean Marxism is the way to go?

2019-05-28 05:45:30 UTC  

GG @Green Syndicalism, you just advanced to level 1!

2019-05-28 05:45:34 UTC  

of course not

2019-05-28 05:45:50 UTC  

the endgoal of most Marxisms is communism

2019-05-28 05:46:10 UTC  

and i dont think you need to really be convinced of why that is a bad idea

2019-05-28 05:46:27 UTC  

@Green Syndicalism its evil because history has shown that

2019-05-28 05:46:38 UTC  

okay you dont understand democratic socialism then

2019-05-28 05:46:42 UTC  

thats pretty simple

2019-05-28 05:46:56 UTC  

do you think the USSR was democratic?

2019-05-28 05:47:08 UTC  

do you think the USSR was market socialism?

2019-05-28 05:47:15 UTC  

yes, if you consider 1 party elections democratic

2019-05-28 05:47:36 UTC  

why would you consider a single election over 80 years democratic

2019-05-28 05:47:46 UTC  

not a single election

2019-05-28 05:47:51 UTC  

many elections

2019-05-28 05:47:54 UTC  

just 1 party

2019-05-28 05:48:00 UTC  

yea how is that democratic

2019-05-28 05:48:06 UTC  

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2019-05-28 05:48:07 UTC  

every other ideology is outlawed

2019-05-28 05:48:21 UTC  

but thats not even the main point

2019-05-28 05:48:30 UTC  

you think socialism is evil because of its economic failure

2019-05-28 05:48:36 UTC  

thats *planned economies*

2019-05-28 05:48:44 UTC  

i agree, totally spastic idea

2019-05-28 05:48:57 UTC  

also high taxes

2019-05-28 05:48:58 UTC  

idk what possessed the "communists" to try it

2019-05-28 05:49:15 UTC  

the socialism advocated for today is market socialism

2019-05-28 05:49:24 UTC  

ie we dont abolish the markets that exist in capitalism

2019-05-28 05:49:29 UTC  

theyre good and useful

2019-05-28 05:49:47 UTC  

we just have extremely heavy restrictions on ownership