which means most of the population is brainwashed into thinking socialism is evil/bad/doesnt work

so if everyone is brainwashed to think its bad and the institutions in place keep it that way, but DemSoc is non-revolutionary in nature, how will it ever be elected into majority power?

(i dont think it can be)

so if you want a DemSoc economy, you'll need to have a revolution

which is fundamentally not democratic socialism

does this mean Marxism is the way to go?

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of course not

the endgoal of most Marxisms is communism

and i dont think you need to really be convinced of why that is a bad idea

@Green Syndicalism its evil because history has shown that

okay you dont understand democratic socialism then

thats pretty simple

do you think the USSR was democratic?

do you think the USSR was market socialism?

yes, if you consider 1 party elections democratic

why would you consider a single election over 80 years democratic

not a single election

many elections

just 1 party

yea how is that democratic

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every other ideology is outlawed

but thats not even the main point

you think socialism is evil because of its economic failure

thats *planned economies*

i agree, totally spastic idea

also high taxes

idk what possessed the "communists" to try it

the socialism advocated for today is market socialism

ie we dont abolish the markets that exist in capitalism

theyre good and useful

we just have extremely heavy restrictions on ownership

which is never good for the markets

ie if a company gets above $x marketcap, its either nationalised or mutualised

see thats where youre wrong

point to a single example where thats been true

(i can point to a million examples of private ownership going wrong)

I´ll give you an example: lets say you put the nationalisation cap to 10 billion in revenue. Now tell me, why tf should I develope my company to reach that 10 billion revenue mark? I´ll just keep it in the 9 billion mark.

Companies will basically be told "DONT FUCKING GROW OR WE NATIONALISE U"

well i personally advocate for discretion