Message from @Green Syndicalism

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2019-05-28 06:00:09 UTC  

that whole concept could just be trashed by 1 very simple idea

2019-05-28 06:00:14 UTC  

no dude

2019-05-28 06:00:20 UTC  

JUST BUY THE FUCKING STOCKS WHEN IT IPO-s

2019-05-28 06:00:36 UTC  

everybody already does it

2019-05-28 06:00:44 UTC  

when the shares are issued to the workers, they will get voting rights. now they can vote to keep the original owner in charge if theyre happy with his management

2019-05-28 06:00:47 UTC  

if theyre not happy

2019-05-28 06:00:51 UTC  

then fuck the cunt

2019-05-28 06:01:02 UTC  

and that leads to poor economics

2019-05-28 06:01:07 UTC  

no it doesnt

2019-05-28 06:01:16 UTC  

owners often have the difficult decision of firing people

2019-05-28 06:01:22 UTC  

i.e when recession comes

2019-05-28 06:01:23 UTC  

what leads to poor economics is when you constrict demand by ensuring wages dont go up

2019-05-28 06:01:28 UTC  

people dont like getting fired

2019-05-28 06:01:32 UTC  

so what will they do?

2019-05-28 06:01:36 UTC  

bro you still have management

2019-05-28 06:01:36 UTC  

vote him out

2019-05-28 06:01:37 UTC  

omfg

2019-05-28 06:01:51 UTC  

that leads to the company going bankrupt

2019-05-28 06:02:03 UTC  

no dude the workers vote for management and you can have *policy for retrenchments*

2019-05-28 06:02:23 UTC  

If people dont like the retrenchments, bad luck

2019-05-28 06:02:27 UTC  

next AGM they can vote on it

2019-05-28 06:02:48 UTC  

it isnt that simple

2019-05-28 06:02:49 UTC  

if they run the business into the ground, *they lose their job*

2019-05-28 06:03:12 UTC  

people will run the business for their own benefit (to keep their jobs)

2019-05-28 06:03:17 UTC  

actually lets think about like this bro

2019-05-28 06:03:20 UTC  

say you have 1000 workers

2019-05-28 06:03:23 UTC  

directors usually look to keep the company afloat

2019-05-28 06:03:28 UTC  

and you have $10000 in profit

2019-05-28 06:03:32 UTC  

each worker gets $10

2019-05-28 06:03:37 UTC  

if you fire 100 people

2019-05-28 06:03:43 UTC  

theres 900 people sharing $10000

2019-05-28 06:03:45 UTC  

guess what

2019-05-28 06:03:52 UTC  

*theyve increased their wages*

2019-05-28 06:03:53 UTC  

it doesent work like that

2019-05-28 06:03:58 UTC  

yes it fucking does

2019-05-28 06:04:03 UTC  

so the argument goes both ways

2019-05-28 06:04:18 UTC  

if you fire the workforce, then the output would also decrese

2019-05-28 06:04:25 UTC  

yes so they cant fire everyone

2019-05-28 06:04:26 UTC  

decreased output= less profit

2019-05-28 06:04:33 UTC  

less profit= lower wages

2019-05-28 06:04:35 UTC  

theyre incentivised to fire the optimal amount