Message from @Nine

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2018-05-24 05:37:40 UTC  

from what this is saying, the idea of a public forum is that the government cannot tell people where they can assemble. their example is a town forbidding a meeting hall owner from renting out to communists to host a public meeting.

2018-05-24 05:39:40 UTC  

legal Definition of open forum
: a government property that is opened to the public for expressive activities of any kind — compare limited public forum

2018-05-24 05:39:58 UTC  

I found this definition in a website that is like a dictionary for lawyers

2018-05-24 05:40:08 UTC  

The argument, as I've seen it presented has been ```1. Any action taken by the president is an action of the government
2. Donald Trump's personal twitter account is to be considered an open public forum
3. Twitter, as a whole, as a privately owned company, may remain a private forum```

Have I misrepresented anything?

2018-05-24 05:40:09 UTC  

the problem is we need the exact legal definition

2018-05-24 05:41:47 UTC  

there is probably some supporting premises missing from some of those but yes

2018-05-24 05:42:13 UTC  

also other questions like do you own your twitter account

2018-05-24 05:42:14 UTC  

all of the legal definitions im seeing say that the forum must belong to the government

2018-05-24 05:42:34 UTC  

@Ivanfr which is why i just asked the question, do you own your twitter account

2018-05-24 05:42:34 UTC  

So, let's address #1.

2018-05-24 05:42:41 UTC  

no, twitter does

2018-05-24 05:42:54 UTC  

And I'm switching to metaphor for my case

2018-05-24 05:43:01 UTC  

I have no right to my twitter account, I just hope twitter lets me use it

2018-05-24 05:43:23 UTC  

I havent paid for ity

2018-05-24 05:43:24 UTC  

it*

2018-05-24 05:43:41 UTC  

If Elon Musk were to kick someone from his house

2018-05-24 05:43:48 UTC  

and im pretty sure when I accepted the ToS it says that I dont own shit and twitter are the supreme god of their virtual land

2018-05-24 05:43:49 UTC  

true. Yet apparently you have a right to the data generated by using it.

2018-05-24 05:44:03 UTC  

Is this the action of Elon Musk, or is it an official action of a company he owns?

2018-05-24 05:44:14 UTC  

or at least that is what a bunch of congress people who don't know how facebook works seems to think.

2018-05-24 05:44:44 UTC  

Let's just call the government a legal person and be done with it 😛

2018-05-24 05:45:25 UTC  

@RyeNorth its entirely possible

2018-05-24 05:45:25 UTC  

Owns is the wrong term.

2018-05-24 05:45:49 UTC  

He doesn't own it, he represents it. The shareholders own it.

2018-05-24 05:46:08 UTC  

Of which, he may be considered to be one,

2018-05-24 05:46:21 UTC  

Tesla or SpaceX cant suffer legal consequences for what Elon Musk says in his private life

2018-05-24 05:47:00 UTC  

well, it can depending on what he does

2018-05-24 05:47:09 UTC  

give me an example

2018-05-24 05:47:09 UTC  

Alright, let's reframe this question, then.

2018-05-24 05:47:35 UTC  

Does Elon Musk require the power of being the CEO of SpaceX to kick someone out of his living room?

2018-05-24 05:48:15 UTC  

Or, would this be a privilege any property owner would have?

2018-05-24 05:48:51 UTC  

I wonder if Trump deleted Obama's tweets from the @POTUS account

2018-05-24 05:49:08 UTC  

and unfollowed HIllary Clinton

2018-05-24 05:49:11 UTC  

😄

2018-05-24 05:49:33 UTC  

I think Twitter actually designated @POTUS as a special account

2018-05-24 05:49:35 UTC  

There's convoluted work related hypotheticals, but, in general, it's the right of being a property holder

2018-05-24 05:49:38 UTC  

the main reason Trump does not use it.

2018-05-24 05:49:40 UTC  

not exactly the prefect example. his house would also need to be spacex property

2018-05-24 05:49:59 UTC  

Why would it also need to be spacex property?

2018-05-24 05:50:09 UTC  

It's his own living room.

2018-05-24 05:50:20 UTC  

He's had the living room before he was CEO of spaceX