My case for fascism would be Gaddafi, Hussein and maybe Ayub Khan. He was traditionally right but had secular policies.

But secular is excluded from this

Hussein?

Not Saddam, surely?

Saddam Hussein

Okay, let's talk about Iraq during his reign.

Lol you think he was good? Come on mate...

In improving his country, definitely. Ba'athism is a solid ideology but I only take some of it.

https://youtu.be/qvp68ZjXLGw (English sub CC available)

This is what fascism and dictatorship look like

Saddam Hussein is really a terrible creature

Indeed

Any economic benefits to his country he overrode with his monstrous cruelty and genocidal warmongering.

But Iraq is even worse now

Than it was

Thanks to Saddam as well.

Neccesary evil for greater good but how can you say that whilst you're American?

Do you know what your government has done in other countries?

Operation Condor

He's not exactly responsible for that

He's just a dude

Right.

But we're talking about democracy.

People change

That might be the necessary evils of fascism but what about the evils of interventionist USA?

The actions of the British Empire say... 100 years ago would never, ever pass in today's parliament for example

Okay, let me give an example.

Winston Churchill.

Good guy or bad guy?

Times have changed, and part of a democratic government is that your leaders can CHANGE and EVOLVE

Pretty nasty guy by modern standards

But it's kind of ambiguous

With authoritarian dictatorships, you're stuck with what you've got

Good and bad

Necessary evil for greater good, do you agree?

In WW2? sure

But he was a pretty serious racist among other things

@Dr.Cosby What if the one you're stuck with is a nationalist and wills to improve the nation.

Wouldn't exactly look up to him

@Tool He caused the Bengal famine

Exactly