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2019-12-07 14:02:38 UTC  

What is the relevance of Sufyan

2019-12-07 14:02:47 UTC  

He stilled militarily conquered Mecca

2019-12-07 14:02:52 UTC  

Doesn't matter what Sufyan did

2019-12-07 14:02:52 UTC  

at the time, Mohammed and his people were camping outside of Mecca, they haven't entered Mecca yet and haven't made any threats

2019-12-07 14:02:58 UTC  

Oh yes

2019-12-07 14:03:01 UTC  

With a large military force

2019-12-07 14:03:03 UTC  

@Deleted User How can you conquer a land that was yours in the first place?

2019-12-07 14:03:08 UTC  

?

2019-12-07 14:03:20 UTC  

Mohammed was born in Mecca, so were his people (Al Muhajereen)

2019-12-07 14:03:27 UTC  

mate you should read the entire story first

2019-12-07 14:03:59 UTC  

when Mohammed gained a following simply by preaching to people the message of god, not by forcing them

2019-12-07 14:04:14 UTC  

he came back to Mecca with a force of 10,000 men, which was a huge number at the time.

2019-12-07 14:04:34 UTC  

Yes, he was kicked out for preaching heresy.

2019-12-07 14:04:47 UTC  

they could have easily killed every single non-believer in Mecca but the prophet Mohammed said this when he entered Mecca:

2019-12-07 14:04:52 UTC  

"Even he Who enters the house of Abu Sufyan will be safe, He who lays down arms will be safe, He who locks his door will be safe"

2019-12-07 14:04:53 UTC  

And even then, if you wanted to argue that Muhmmad was just a peaceful man that wanted to re-take mecca for his people

2019-12-07 14:04:56 UTC  

Then sure

2019-12-07 14:05:00 UTC  

That *would* be a valid response

2019-12-07 14:05:05 UTC  

However, as you and everyone else knows

2019-12-07 14:05:08 UTC  

It didn't end there

2019-12-07 14:05:14 UTC  

He forcibly converted the rest of the middle east

2019-12-07 14:05:19 UTC  

no he did not

2019-12-07 14:05:20 UTC  

GG @Othman, you just advanced to level 4!

2019-12-07 14:05:23 UTC  

Yes he did

2019-12-07 14:05:25 UTC  

Through conquest

2019-12-07 14:05:31 UTC  

The middle east was converted

2019-12-07 14:05:31 UTC  

to this day there are a lot of christians and jews who live in the middle east

2019-12-07 14:05:35 UTC  

So?

2019-12-07 14:05:45 UTC  

yeah the middle east converted to Islam by choice

2019-12-07 14:05:49 UTC  

that's not conquering dude

2019-12-07 14:05:50 UTC  

No it didn't

2019-12-07 14:05:58 UTC  

If you didn't follow islam you were persecuted

2019-12-07 14:06:03 UTC  

conquer
/ˈkɒŋkə/
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verb
overcome and take control of (a place or people) by military force.
"he conquered Cyprus"

2019-12-07 14:06:05 UTC  

Even today, if you don't follow islam you are persecuted

2019-12-07 14:06:14 UTC  

the Middle East converted to Islam by choice, not by force

2019-12-07 14:06:26 UTC  

conquered means forced people with military force.

2019-12-07 14:06:32 UTC  

@Deleted User oh really?

2019-12-07 14:06:50 UTC  

Okay, your getting into semantics here.

The middle east did not convert "By choice" because if they *didn't* convert then they were seen as heretics

2019-12-07 14:06:53 UTC  

Their women were killed

2019-12-07 14:06:57 UTC  

Their loot was stolen

2019-12-07 14:07:03 UTC  

They were dehumanized