Message from @Othman
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it's not that we see christians as a threat, it's that we know, not think, we know Islam is the right religion and it would be an un-wise decision to convert people out of it
There is nothing wrong with that, you just can't claim that christians are not persecuted against
now I personally disagree with that law
I think people should be allowed to proselytization to any religion.
I am a full supporter of free speech
but yes I can claim that christians are not persecuted against
because christians aren't being persecuted against
the one's that are being persecuted are the one's who commit proselytization
Okay, so you believe that people who try to convert others to Christianity/Judaism are being persecuted
But you don't believe that people who are Christians/Jewish themselves do not have persecution against them?
I'm not even talking about persecution in the lawful sense
I am talking in the cultural sense
Cause it is pretty obvious that middle eastern muslims do not have positive attitudes towards religious minorities
Which is fine, since it is their own land and their land should be of their people
@Deleted User yes dude
it is our land and we decide what laws we have in our land
Yes, that is appropriate
but we do not persecute christians for being christians or jews for being jews
Define persecute
we persecute them if they try to convert someone to their religion
persecute
/ˈpəːsɪkjuːt/
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verb
subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of their race or political or religious beliefs.
harass or annoy (someone) persistently.
"Hilda was persecuted by some of the other girls"
what I meant by persecute is legal persecution.
So, middle easterns do not treat christians with ill-treatment?
I didn't mean legal persecution
Again, I never said that this was a *bad* thing
no if you wanna go by the definition of "persecute", they are not persecuted for being christian of even for proselytization
however legal action (legal persecution) is taken against those who try to convert others out of Islam
which is a law that I personally disagree with.
Okay, so would you agree with this entire statement?
"There is not a culture, in the middle east, that views religious minorities with hostility. Nor does there exist a culture that treats muslims better than minorities"
@Deleted User in the last part of that quote, you meant "that treats minorities better than Muslims"?
I admittedly wrote that confusingly.
But I edited it for clarification
I agree with the first part, but I neither agree nor disagree with the second part.
but I do think that our general treatment to minorities is good.
So you would say that the general attitude for religious minorities is positive?
correct
“Whoever [broadcasts or communicates] views including ridicule, contempt, or belittlement of religion or religious doctrine — whether it is to challenge beliefs, practices, rituals, or teachings — is punished with imprisonment for a period of time not exceeding 1 year, and a fine not exceeding 1000 dinars, or either of these two punishments.”
1000 dinars is equal to about 3300 US dollars
that is for people who try to convert others to their faith INSIDE Kuwaiti land.
If you ask about my personal opinion I think the punishment for those who try to convert others out of Islam should be 0 dinars and 0 seconds in jail.
If the overall attitude in the middle east is that of nuetrality towards christians then why has the population of christians dropped drastically from the 20th to the 21st century?