Message from @Othman

Discord ID: 652876341955264518


2019-12-07 14:13:34 UTC  

it's not that we see christians as a threat, it's that we know, not think, we know Islam is the right religion and it would be an un-wise decision to convert people out of it

2019-12-07 14:13:39 UTC  

There is nothing wrong with that, you just can't claim that christians are not persecuted against

2019-12-07 14:13:39 UTC  

now I personally disagree with that law

2019-12-07 14:13:53 UTC  

I think people should be allowed to proselytization to any religion.

2019-12-07 14:14:01 UTC  

I am a full supporter of free speech

2019-12-07 14:14:15 UTC  

but yes I can claim that christians are not persecuted against

2019-12-07 14:14:25 UTC  

because christians aren't being persecuted against

2019-12-07 14:14:39 UTC  

the one's that are being persecuted are the one's who commit proselytization

2019-12-07 14:15:17 UTC  

Okay, so you believe that people who try to convert others to Christianity/Judaism are being persecuted

2019-12-07 14:15:33 UTC  

But you don't believe that people who are Christians/Jewish themselves do not have persecution against them?

2019-12-07 14:15:41 UTC  

I'm not even talking about persecution in the lawful sense

2019-12-07 14:15:45 UTC  

I am talking in the cultural sense

2019-12-07 14:16:02 UTC  

Cause it is pretty obvious that middle eastern muslims do not have positive attitudes towards religious minorities

2019-12-07 14:16:11 UTC  

Which is fine, since it is their own land and their land should be of their people

2019-12-07 14:16:42 UTC  

@Deleted User yes dude

2019-12-07 14:16:49 UTC  

it is our land and we decide what laws we have in our land

2019-12-07 14:16:54 UTC  

Yes, that is appropriate

2019-12-07 14:17:02 UTC  

but we do not persecute christians for being christians or jews for being jews

2019-12-07 14:17:08 UTC  

Define persecute

2019-12-07 14:17:13 UTC  

we persecute them if they try to convert someone to their religion

2019-12-07 14:17:29 UTC  

persecute
/ˈpəːsɪkjuːt/
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verb
subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of their race or political or religious beliefs.

2019-12-07 14:17:42 UTC  

harass or annoy (someone) persistently.
"Hilda was persecuted by some of the other girls"

2019-12-07 14:17:53 UTC  

what I meant by persecute is legal persecution.

2019-12-07 14:17:54 UTC  

So, middle easterns do not treat christians with ill-treatment?

2019-12-07 14:18:00 UTC  

I didn't mean legal persecution

2019-12-07 14:18:16 UTC  

Again, I never said that this was a *bad* thing

2019-12-07 14:18:37 UTC  

no if you wanna go by the definition of "persecute", they are not persecuted for being christian of even for proselytization

2019-12-07 14:18:56 UTC  

however legal action (legal persecution) is taken against those who try to convert others out of Islam

2019-12-07 14:19:12 UTC  

which is a law that I personally disagree with.

2019-12-07 14:20:09 UTC  

Okay, so would you agree with this entire statement?

"There is not a culture, in the middle east, that views religious minorities with hostility. Nor does there exist a culture that treats muslims better than minorities"

2019-12-07 14:21:29 UTC  

@Deleted User in the last part of that quote, you meant "that treats minorities better than Muslims"?

2019-12-07 14:22:17 UTC  

I admittedly wrote that confusingly.

But I edited it for clarification

2019-12-07 14:22:46 UTC  

I agree with the first part, but I neither agree nor disagree with the second part.

2019-12-07 14:23:07 UTC  

but I do think that our general treatment to minorities is good.

2019-12-07 14:23:58 UTC  

So you would say that the general attitude for religious minorities is positive?

2019-12-07 14:24:09 UTC  

correct

2019-12-07 14:24:15 UTC  

“Whoever [broadcasts or communicates] views including ridicule, contempt, or belittlement of religion or religious doctrine — whether it is to challenge beliefs, practices, rituals, or teachings — is punished with imprisonment for a period of time not exceeding 1 year, and a fine not exceeding 1000 dinars, or either of these two punishments.”

2019-12-07 14:24:40 UTC  

1000 dinars is equal to about 3300 US dollars

2019-12-07 14:25:13 UTC  

that is for people who try to convert others to their faith INSIDE Kuwaiti land.

2019-12-07 14:25:33 UTC  

If you ask about my personal opinion I think the punishment for those who try to convert others out of Islam should be 0 dinars and 0 seconds in jail.

2019-12-07 14:29:44 UTC  

If the overall attitude in the middle east is that of nuetrality towards christians then why has the population of christians dropped drastically from the 20th to the 21st century?