Message from @Othman

Discord ID: 652876273139449866


2019-12-07 14:12:45 UTC  

Christians would naturally be seen as a threat

2019-12-07 14:13:34 UTC  

it's not that we see christians as a threat, it's that we know, not think, we know Islam is the right religion and it would be an un-wise decision to convert people out of it

2019-12-07 14:13:39 UTC  

There is nothing wrong with that, you just can't claim that christians are not persecuted against

2019-12-07 14:13:39 UTC  

now I personally disagree with that law

2019-12-07 14:13:53 UTC  

I think people should be allowed to proselytization to any religion.

2019-12-07 14:14:01 UTC  

I am a full supporter of free speech

2019-12-07 14:14:15 UTC  

but yes I can claim that christians are not persecuted against

2019-12-07 14:14:25 UTC  

because christians aren't being persecuted against

2019-12-07 14:14:39 UTC  

the one's that are being persecuted are the one's who commit proselytization

2019-12-07 14:15:17 UTC  

Okay, so you believe that people who try to convert others to Christianity/Judaism are being persecuted

2019-12-07 14:15:33 UTC  

But you don't believe that people who are Christians/Jewish themselves do not have persecution against them?

2019-12-07 14:15:41 UTC  

I'm not even talking about persecution in the lawful sense

2019-12-07 14:15:45 UTC  

I am talking in the cultural sense

2019-12-07 14:16:02 UTC  

Cause it is pretty obvious that middle eastern muslims do not have positive attitudes towards religious minorities

2019-12-07 14:16:11 UTC  

Which is fine, since it is their own land and their land should be of their people

2019-12-07 14:16:42 UTC  

@Deleted User yes dude

2019-12-07 14:16:49 UTC  

it is our land and we decide what laws we have in our land

2019-12-07 14:16:54 UTC  

Yes, that is appropriate

2019-12-07 14:17:02 UTC  

but we do not persecute christians for being christians or jews for being jews

2019-12-07 14:17:08 UTC  

Define persecute

2019-12-07 14:17:13 UTC  

we persecute them if they try to convert someone to their religion

2019-12-07 14:17:29 UTC  

persecute
/ˈpəːsɪkjuːt/
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verb
subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of their race or political or religious beliefs.

2019-12-07 14:17:42 UTC  

harass or annoy (someone) persistently.
"Hilda was persecuted by some of the other girls"

2019-12-07 14:17:53 UTC  

what I meant by persecute is legal persecution.

2019-12-07 14:17:54 UTC  

So, middle easterns do not treat christians with ill-treatment?

2019-12-07 14:18:00 UTC  

I didn't mean legal persecution

2019-12-07 14:18:16 UTC  

Again, I never said that this was a *bad* thing

2019-12-07 14:18:37 UTC  

no if you wanna go by the definition of "persecute", they are not persecuted for being christian of even for proselytization

2019-12-07 14:18:56 UTC  

however legal action (legal persecution) is taken against those who try to convert others out of Islam

2019-12-07 14:19:12 UTC  

which is a law that I personally disagree with.

2019-12-07 14:20:09 UTC  

Okay, so would you agree with this entire statement?

"There is not a culture, in the middle east, that views religious minorities with hostility. Nor does there exist a culture that treats muslims better than minorities"

2019-12-07 14:21:29 UTC  

@Deleted User in the last part of that quote, you meant "that treats minorities better than Muslims"?

2019-12-07 14:22:17 UTC  

I admittedly wrote that confusingly.

But I edited it for clarification

2019-12-07 14:22:46 UTC  

I agree with the first part, but I neither agree nor disagree with the second part.

2019-12-07 14:23:07 UTC  

but I do think that our general treatment to minorities is good.

2019-12-07 14:23:58 UTC  

So you would say that the general attitude for religious minorities is positive?

2019-12-07 14:24:09 UTC  

correct

2019-12-07 14:24:15 UTC  

“Whoever [broadcasts or communicates] views including ridicule, contempt, or belittlement of religion or religious doctrine — whether it is to challenge beliefs, practices, rituals, or teachings — is punished with imprisonment for a period of time not exceeding 1 year, and a fine not exceeding 1000 dinars, or either of these two punishments.”

2019-12-07 14:24:40 UTC  

1000 dinars is equal to about 3300 US dollars

2019-12-07 14:25:13 UTC  

that is for people who try to convert others to their faith INSIDE Kuwaiti land.

2019-12-07 14:25:33 UTC  

If you ask about my personal opinion I think the punishment for those who try to convert others out of Islam should be 0 dinars and 0 seconds in jail.