Message from @Ivanfr

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2018-05-31 11:58:58 UTC  

then there would be no money for universal basic income

2018-05-31 11:59:09 UTC  

Dozens of people in Italy turned up at job centres to demand the guaranteed minimum income promised by the Five Star Movement – despite the fact that the party is not even in government yet.

The anti-establishment party’s campaign promise of a minimum monthly salary of €780 (£695) was credited by many analysts as one of the reasons it achieved such a resounding victory in southern Italy, where youth unemployment can exceed 50 per cent.

2018-05-31 11:59:23 UTC  

why would people move to another country?

2018-05-31 11:59:47 UTC  

because in order to give free money to lazy slobs u gotta heavily tax useful ppl

2018-05-31 11:59:48 UTC  

at the moment you are paying for welfare and getting nothing... with universal income you still pay the same... but you get some back

2018-05-31 11:59:50 UTC  

and they wont like it

2018-05-31 12:00:00 UTC  

no u dont pay the same

2018-05-31 12:00:03 UTC  

only some ppl are in welfare

2018-05-31 12:00:11 UTC  

with universal basic income it would be A LOT of ppl

2018-05-31 12:00:19 UTC  

im against welfare anyway

2018-05-31 12:00:31 UTC  

yeah... but this is what they are saying... they wont increase the welfare budget

2018-05-31 12:00:50 UTC  

theyll get rid of all the admin involved and pay out to everyone an average

2018-05-31 12:01:13 UTC  

Its a very bad idea

2018-05-31 12:01:29 UTC  

prob just a lie to get the poor ppl to vote for them

2018-05-31 12:01:54 UTC  

take the US for example... their medicare budget per capita is $8508 per person.... but in the UK theres no admin... so its only $3500 per capita and everyone gets healthcare

2018-05-31 12:02:04 UTC  

Well in any case italy has economic rules in their constitution

2018-05-31 12:02:13 UTC  

And the plans broke those

2018-05-31 12:02:20 UTC  

so its actually cheaper

2018-05-31 12:02:35 UTC  

and runs more smoothly

2018-05-31 12:03:00 UTC  

On which ground president refused to apoint the minister and started the crisis

2018-05-31 12:03:37 UTC  

do u actually like the idea of free money?

2018-05-31 12:03:47 UTC  

>free

2018-05-31 12:03:49 UTC  

>money

2018-05-31 12:03:50 UTC  

choose one

2018-05-31 12:03:55 UTC  

like I went to the doc last year cos I was going to thailand and needed all the vaccines n sht... walked in in the morning - theres a touchscreen at the door - put in my postcode and DoB... saw the doc 5mins later got hep a, b, c dyp, polio whatever else jabs, walked out

2018-05-31 12:04:12 UTC  

is not about "me" is about the whole society

2018-05-31 12:04:17 UTC  

IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE

2018-05-31 12:04:37 UTC  

when ppl vote they should be thinking about how society works

2018-05-31 12:04:38 UTC  

its not free ... its just cheaper

2018-05-31 12:04:57 UTC  

sadly ppl just think about very short term benefits for themselves

2018-05-31 12:05:03 UTC  

Ivan a lot of people don't think ever

2018-05-31 12:05:17 UTC  

of course... it would mean in the US getting rid of thousands of admin government jobs

2018-05-31 12:05:19 UTC  

Ivan you looking at it with 19 century thinking

2018-05-31 12:06:06 UTC  

I am afraid with incoming automatization it will much more different

2018-05-31 12:06:15 UTC  

it puzzles me why conservatives in the US are against universal healthcare which reduces gov and saves money... and socialist dems are for it 😛

2018-05-31 12:07:16 UTC  

Unless everyone starts his channel on youtube there simply will not be enough low paid jobs

2018-05-31 12:07:18 UTC  

plus the only people who dont currently get healthcare... are the ones that pay taxes for it 😛

2018-05-31 12:07:51 UTC  

Automation has nothing to do with universal passive income

2018-05-31 12:08:05 UTC  

if u are a taxi driver and now there is self driving cars, u buy a few and rent them

2018-05-31 12:08:12 UTC  

u dont say "Well now im useless"

2018-05-31 12:08:23 UTC  

whoever does universal income first is going to progress above other countries faster