i have some socialist tendencys however anyone who walks around calling themselves socialist i dont expect to have a nuance to their design which worrys me, same thing with people who walk around calling themselves capitalist

what about people calling themselves Imperialist?

usually implys they are imperialist 😛

though id be interested in knowing what kind of imperialist, the genocidal type or the burden-my-own-people-with-occupying-other-people-type

Imperialist where you conquer bad places, and forcefully uplift them with working methods of flourishing,

Like say, invade venezuela, and establish companies there

venezuela still has a private sector larger than its public sector

yeah but their production stinks, their main claim to wealth was due to oil

mhm

but its not that they have no companys

true, but most companies are tainted by government control there

personally i prefer regulation and emplyee interest as oppose to control

regulation is what started that plummet in the first place, by allowing government to control those companies

rather than allowing those companies control the government right?

well given the results, i rather live in the latter than the former,

As the former we have seen

And the closest thing to the latter is the western world

power is power, doesent matter who has it, if the government has it they have influince over your life, if the corporations have it then they have influince over your life

agreed, but centralised power is more easily claimed than power thats all over the place

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_Coal_Wars yes the western world

power all over the place when its all over the place in the marketplace basicly just creates a game of monopoly, everyone might be equel to begin with, but given enough time that power will centralize and it will centralize in a group not withholden to its people especially not in this globalistic era we live in

you might actually need socialism to fight against globalism

to be fair before regulation we had victorian workhouses in the UK

nah, you need people to be aware,

If a company becomes rotten, people should actively just patron a competitor thats not rotten yet

its like with youtube

people should actively en-masse switch to alternatives,

But they won't

what if it becomes rotten after it owns everything?

so how is it the companies fault in the end, that people don't jump ship

governments dont suck until after they have to much power, same things with bussiness

yes, but you can't decide to not fund the government, you go to jail that way

you CAN however say "no i'm not supporting this company"

actually you choose not to fund the government by democracy

If i say "im not paying taxes" i'll go to jail
If i say "I'm not paying my phone bill" I'll just get cut off from the phoneline

If you can propose a government thats 0% taxing, i'll give your idea an ear

well.. over here they send people to your home to collect whatever they can thats worth what you owe

or where taxes are optional

exactly

the issue with government is that you can't say "no"
a company can't force you to pay them

but dinnertime, so im afk

Well, to some extent a company can force you to pay them in the form of repossession

good luck saying no to google

also if you choose not to buy stuff from that company that completely owns every business in your country good luck with that

hell even if its just one of the 50 companys that owns everything in your country like here in the us it will just ask the government to give them your tax monay in a bail out

You can do it, it just means you need to actually work for your living