Message from @pratel

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2018-07-30 23:23:39 UTC  

Ok. So what do you plan to do?

2018-07-30 23:24:07 UTC  

I'm not going to discuss what I am doing.

2018-07-30 23:24:12 UTC  

Not in an open forum.

2018-07-30 23:24:23 UTC  

I like the idea of insurgents. But the habit seems to be to pretend that you'll take the management position in a company. And then you discover you can't just act unilaterally and nothing actually happens.

2018-07-30 23:24:49 UTC  

@Atkins well, I can't make you trust me. But if you want to talk, we can try to set up some kind of encrypted channel.

2018-07-30 23:25:19 UTC  

I might be wrong in how I think this could be played. But I feel very strongly that there is fundamentally no discussion of tactics among anyone other than the far left.

2018-07-30 23:25:40 UTC  

And the tactics discussion *needs* to happen or the far left will always dictate the norms of society.

2018-07-30 23:26:08 UTC  

PM me if you want to try and set something up.

2018-07-30 23:26:37 UTC  

sum good ole game theory would be a good idea XD get a bit of a stride for the right

2018-07-30 23:27:05 UTC  

although ppl on the right dont seem liek the kind to be willfully ignorant about game theory

2018-07-30 23:27:14 UTC  

its just not a part of common parlance

2018-07-30 23:27:45 UTC  

Honestly, in my experience alot of people on the right tend to be pretty apathetic to anything that doesn't get hits on Rush Limbaugh.

2018-07-30 23:28:16 UTC  

It depends alot on what kind of right you're talking about though. Not everyone is the same.

2018-07-30 23:28:37 UTC  

XD lol yeah very true lol even just in the US theres many kinds of right-wingers

2018-07-30 23:28:41 UTC  

Intersectionality was originally developed in the 80s precisely because far left activists struggled to keep people together.

2018-07-30 23:28:49 UTC  

then u look at international politics and yep

2018-07-30 23:29:13 UTC  

Libertarians are very flexible and can be rather bold. But they also tend to be little too fundamentalist in strategy and can't unify on anything.

2018-07-30 23:29:34 UTC  

Law and order conservatives want to fade into the background, let law enforcement solve everything and just watch football.

2018-07-30 23:29:41 UTC  

Already you can see the conflict.

2018-07-30 23:29:55 UTC  

XD yeah the whole authority thing

2018-07-30 23:30:18 UTC  

Rockefeller conservatives are important as they hold the resources but are completely flaky and bend under pressure easily.

2018-07-30 23:30:31 UTC  

They'll do whatever they can to get ahead.

2018-07-30 23:30:44 UTC  

yeah i mean gotta follow the green brick road so to speak

2018-07-30 23:31:03 UTC  

Classical liberals haven't settled into a form yet. But I'm guessing they'll be somewhere between the libertarians and conservatives.

2018-07-30 23:31:07 UTC  

especially when you already have that much money

2018-07-30 23:31:26 UTC  

I mean, they are literally conservatives because they don't want to pay taxes.

2018-07-30 23:31:37 UTC  

It's not exactly like they're complicated people.

2018-07-30 23:31:56 UTC  

And on stuff like social issues they'll fall to whatever they can brownnose with best.

2018-07-30 23:32:16 UTC  

yeah for real 😛 wherever they can stick that nose to get favours/lax regulations

2018-07-30 23:32:35 UTC  

Now we've got the reactionaries. Who would be the natural analog to the radical left, but they're rather toxic and lack any sense of discipline or PR.

2018-07-30 23:33:27 UTC  

Everyone knows the Alt-Right is toxic and more likely to harm themselves and anyone associated with them, but the Alt-right isn't going to shut up either.

2018-07-30 23:33:30 UTC  

yeah i mean reacting willy nilly to everything, even if selectivley moderated, isnt very organised

2018-07-30 23:33:48 UTC  

no matter how much you moderate your reactions/what you react to

2018-07-30 23:34:19 UTC  

To some extent anarchy is good. But oyu have to be able to specify specific goals and reach them.

2018-07-30 23:34:29 UTC  

yeah the alt right is like the loud special kid in the back of the class everyone feels too akward to tell to their face to shut up

2018-07-30 23:34:31 UTC  

You also have to be able to assert dominance so to speak in the private sphere.

2018-07-30 23:34:36 UTC  

and instead talks behind their back all day

2018-07-30 23:34:42 UTC  

Which is a horrifying concept to calssical liberal ideology.

2018-07-30 23:35:02 UTC  

I think http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative-the-eternal-struggle/ sums up a key element of how stuff like GamerGate happens.

2018-07-30 23:35:13 UTC  

It's a defeat in detail.

2018-07-30 23:35:35 UTC  

^Also a very good read, IMO.